Comments on: An Exchange on Homosexuality and Culture

By: Gregory Manning

Gregory Manning — Tue, 24 Feb 2015 02:11:05 +0000

I have identified myself on other blogs as a repentant homosexual who is also an Orthodox Christian, and I continue to be dismayed at the extent to which the homosexual agenda has spread. I don’t doubt for a minute the existence of the so-called Gay Inc. entity but still, what is it about this movement, centered around a small percentage of the worlds population who’s single distinguishing “attribute” is sodomy? Though I walked away from that world more than 30 years ago, I obviously knew a lot of other homosexuals — a lot! Aside from the fact that they are all human beings and God’s (rebellious) children, there’s nothing special that I can see that society should want to “celebrate”. As I say, it’s just sodomy! Something is just not right here. This dead end “life style” has an increasingly disproportionate influence on cultures everywhere. I’ve attached a link to an impressive analysis of the entire agenda which I invite you to read. Having read it myself I have to conclude that something far more cynical (than even the authors identify) is in play here.

I feel sorry for my brothers and sisters who have fallen for this embarrassingly ludicrous delusion. None of their supporters admire or respect them. I wouldn’t be surprised if they secretly found the life style repellent. What’s to admire or respect? Mr. Obama and his ilk will throw them under the bus. The tragedy is they’re not going to see it coming. I wonder if even a few of them see how cynically they’re being used. I can’t begin to imagine the terror they will experience when, too late, they discover that Chesterton was right: The devil is a liar and he’s more dangerous to his friends than to his enemies. Again, have a glance at the article. And please, pray for all those who persist in this losing “life style” and foolishly believe everything’s going to get better. Delusion is a frightening thing. Sadly, the man wearing rose-tinted glasses really does believe the world is rosy.

http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/2014/10/06/the-androgynous-world-order-feminism/

By: Fr. Hans Jacobse

Fr. Hans Jacobse — Mon, 23 Feb 2015 15:22:12 +0000

Seraphim, you might be right although if you are, then culture is lost (which I increasingly believe is the case although time will tell).

But I don’t see the romance with homosexual pairings replicating natural marriage continuing as it is. I think the speciousness of the claim will become apparent in five years. It’s a great social experiment; the thesis has been advanced, the propaganda effort realized, and now we await the reality which the supporters believe will spontaneously generate since they think the homosexual ‘family’ is a cultural form immorally suppressed. It won’t take that long to see the folly of the romance I believe.

This doesn’t mean the moral collapse of the West reverses. It only means the romance will wither. In the end nature wins.

You are correct in placing the locus of this devolution in the collapse of marriage.

By: Seraphim

Seraphim — Mon, 23 Feb 2015 04:08:59 +0000

The rise in homosexuality and “normalization” will not cease in the immediate future. Your predictions will be proven false.

The reason is very simple: the rise in homosexuality and homosexual unions (so-called marriage or whatever you call it) is a natural consequence of women’s lib. The Orthodox Church has not been able to get a grip on that in over 100 years. The problem has only ballooned, growing into a hydra with thousands of heads and infiltrating both society and the Church.

The “problems” present in a homosexual union aren’t that far removed from the problems that heterosexual couples (married or otherwise) experience routinely in modern cultures, largely because women have abandoned their natural function, either in part or in full. The real problem is and has always been divorce and the destruction of the family, which is not losing momentum. In fact, in the US and England for example, it has only grown worse as women initiate over 70% of divorces. In comparison, homosexual relationships are relatively benign simply because they do not destroy children in the process.

It is largely women who are supportive of the male homosexual culture because women identify with feminized males (even if they don’t respect them). So they are here to stay for quite a while.

The future will inevitably support my statement. I look forward to 2019 so we can continue this discussion when you are trying to wrap your mind around why your prediction was wrong.

By: Fr. Johannes Jacobse

Fr. Johannes Jacobse — Thu, 11 Dec 2014 11:22:25 +0000

In reply to Bruce. Homosexual couplings are sterile, biologically closed to new life. Another way of putting this is that the sterility is natural, part of the structure of nature. No homosexual couple can ever produce a child by each 'parent'; no child can share the genetic code of each partner. It is an biological impossibility. The prohibition is written into nature. It is inviolable. Just as a man cannot reproduce with, say, a tree or an animal, he cannot reproduce with a same-sex partner. Artificial insemination doesn't change this fact. One partner cannot be inseminated with the genetic code of the other. Men don't produce eggs, women don't produce sperm. A third person is always brought into the mix. Collapsing this fact into a generalized notion of love doesn't change it either. The point here is not that homosexual couplings "mimic love," but that they mimic the structure of a natural family.

By: Bruce

Bruce — Tue, 02 Dec 2014 03:43:12 +0000

“It can only mimic what it sees but it won’t be able to reproduce it. This is not merely an observation about biology (homosexual couplings are sterile). Biology also models deeper structures, and at the center of the deep structure of homosexuality is a vacuum (the absence of structure). The vacuum however contains an energy that is *always* deconstructive.”

I would love for you to elaborate for me a bit about the non-biological ways you think it can’t mimic. Clearly a homosexual can not mimic reproduction, however they can in fact alter how we currently do reproduction. Think about this, homosexual men teaming up with homosexual women to have artificially inseminated families – in fact I know many already doing the artificial thing.

What it sounds like you are saying is they can’t actually mimic love – and if that is the case I don’t see that as simply a collapse of the homosexual way of life but rather a collapse of all morals, values, and systems. Children being raised without love at all in their lives, will be set on a path of self destruction and they in turn will pass these things on to their kids (whether hetero or homosexual).

In fact it sounds like the very things that happens to some of the greatest nations of historical past that no longer exist today. But this would mean the end of western society as we know it…. not just some short lived thing as you seem to imply.

Please help me understand your thoughts.