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Comments on: ACTON – SVS Poverty Conference Sure to Spark Some Fireworks https://www.aoiusa.org/acton-svs-poverty-conference-sure-to-spark-some-fireworks/ A Research and Educational Organization that engages the cultural issues of the day within the Orthodox Christian Tradition Wed, 12 Jun 2013 04:05:38 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.3.3 By: Ronda Wintheiser https://www.aoiusa.org/acton-svs-poverty-conference-sure-to-spark-some-fireworks/#comment-28200 Wed, 12 Jun 2013 04:05:38 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=12703#comment-28200 In reply to Geo Michalopulos.

Agreed. Macedoniandeacon nailed it.

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By: Geo Michalopulos https://www.aoiusa.org/acton-svs-poverty-conference-sure-to-spark-some-fireworks/#comment-28196 Tue, 11 Jun 2013 23:01:38 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=12703#comment-28196 In reply to Ronda Wintheiser.

Obviously your sister was disabled in a very real way. Psychically if not physically. What I object to is people who malinger and have talents and skill sets and demand to be coddled by others.

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By: Ronda Wintheiser https://www.aoiusa.org/acton-svs-poverty-conference-sure-to-spark-some-fireworks/#comment-28156 Sat, 08 Jun 2013 16:42:39 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=12703#comment-28156 In reply to macedoniandeacon.

Thank you!

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By: macedoniandeacon https://www.aoiusa.org/acton-svs-poverty-conference-sure-to-spark-some-fireworks/#comment-28142 Fri, 07 Jun 2013 19:53:50 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=12703#comment-28142 In reply to Ronda Wintheiser.

Sure. 🙂

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By: Ronda Wintheiser https://www.aoiusa.org/acton-svs-poverty-conference-sure-to-spark-some-fireworks/#comment-28141 Fri, 07 Jun 2013 18:38:33 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=12703#comment-28141 In reply to macedoniandeacon.

Thank you.

Can I quote this? Or just plagiarize it? 😉

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By: macedoniandeacon https://www.aoiusa.org/acton-svs-poverty-conference-sure-to-spark-some-fireworks/#comment-28126 Fri, 07 Jun 2013 16:41:55 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=12703#comment-28126 In reply to Geo Michalopulos.

I used to supervise a day center for developmentally disabled individuals. I would say about 50% of them had jobs, some doing the work that a lot of able bodied would not do at a local grocery store, the others spend all day putting the toys in plastic bubbles for the bubble gum machines. Local companies would contract these jobs to the center and would actually bring the materials for these folks to assemble while at the center. The pay was meager, but the work, at least to them, was priceless. These people, who we would label “wards of the state” were busting tail every day. What was more interesting was that they never complained, they smiled, and lived for that work. A much better attitude that I have most of the time.

I will never be able to reconcile the image that I saw there to that of those who are “able” and chose not to work in order to live off the state, or to most of us (me especially) who grumble at our jobs. It sort of breaks the stereotype of who is handicapped and who isn’t. Perhaps it redefines things.

I would also suggest that those whom I “supervised” knew and understood the value of their work, they understood (even if not completely cognitively) on some level, spiritually perhaps, that they were making a living or even serving. It was almost a sort of liturgy, a joy that I don’t know that I had ever felt.

Work, fulfilling work, taking care of oneself and others, providing a service, is MOST DEFINITELY a spiritual sense or attribute and I would suggest that this is what is lacking in American society. Especially among those who live off the state. This is the real evil of the state. It takes away our ‘spiritual sense’ on all levels of society. It slowly kills on a spiritual level by getting in between God and His creation.

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By: Alexis, Patron Saint of the Nice Guy https://www.aoiusa.org/acton-svs-poverty-conference-sure-to-spark-some-fireworks/#comment-28109 Thu, 06 Jun 2013 13:17:46 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=12703#comment-28109 As was already mentioned in my past blog post regarding the aforementioned conference, I had purchased Jay Richards’ book, and I must say that I am really enjoying it. It makes much sense and has enlightened me. I would strongly urge others to read it.

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By: Ronda Wintheiser https://www.aoiusa.org/acton-svs-poverty-conference-sure-to-spark-some-fireworks/#comment-28104 Thu, 06 Jun 2013 03:52:48 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=12703#comment-28104 In reply to Geo Michalopulos.

Yes, I agree they will, George. I think it’s human nature.

I guess I was speaking literally when I used the word “unable”. I had in mind a couple of scenarios — not hypothetical. I was thinking of someone like my sister who spent 15 years or so on the streets as a crack addict and an alcoholic. She was disabled — completely nonfunctional — by her alcoholic disease. It wasn’t until she engaged a treatment program and her own spiritual healing that she regained the desire to make her own way.

And then there are those like my daughter who is 21 and has autism. She is and always will be unable to make a living or take care of herself independently. She functions on the same level as a 5-year-old. She doesn’t even comprehend the concept of “making a living.”

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By: Geo Michalopulos https://www.aoiusa.org/acton-svs-poverty-conference-sure-to-spark-some-fireworks/#comment-28103 Thu, 06 Jun 2013 02:36:03 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=12703#comment-28103 In reply to Andrew.

Good question, Andrew. One could also ask why Metropolitan Savvas Zembillas’ committee has yet to meet. Going on 3 years now?

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By: Geo Michalopulos https://www.aoiusa.org/acton-svs-poverty-conference-sure-to-spark-some-fireworks/#comment-28102 Thu, 06 Jun 2013 02:35:09 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=12703#comment-28102 In reply to Ronda Wintheiser.

Good point, but the whole concept of “disability” has become elastic. My dad used to work part-time at the local Goodwill (as did my grandfather in his retirement). I often accompanied both to work and saw many people who were mangled or amputees. Some were mentally challenged. Yet there they were giving meaning to their lives and trying to pull their own weight, often helping others.

On the other hand I saw dozens of able-bodied people who are “disabled” and receive SSI benefits. Are they 100% whole? No, but nobody else I know is (myself included).

Except for a few hard-core cases, if public assistance is removed, people will go out of their way to at least try to make a living.

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By: Michael Bauman https://www.aoiusa.org/acton-svs-poverty-conference-sure-to-spark-some-fireworks/#comment-28081 Fri, 31 May 2013 21:49:13 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=12703#comment-28081 Ronda the Episcopal Assembly is the assembly Andrew mentions. A good question. A better question is why they endorse some of the ones they do such as the “Orthodox Fellowship of the Transfiguration” and “St. Catherine’s Vision”.

See there website here: http://www.assemblyofbishops.org/

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By: Ronda Wintheiser https://www.aoiusa.org/acton-svs-poverty-conference-sure-to-spark-some-fireworks/#comment-28078 Fri, 31 May 2013 02:31:05 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=12703#comment-28078 In reply to Andrew.

Which assembly of bishops?

And how do you know it is or it isn’t “approved”?

Sorry; obviously I don’t know.

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By: Andrew https://www.aoiusa.org/acton-svs-poverty-conference-sure-to-spark-some-fireworks/#comment-28077 Fri, 31 May 2013 00:50:55 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=12703#comment-28077 Can someone explain why FOCUS is not an “approved” ministry of the assembly of bishops?

Not that I believe you need your bishop’s permission to do something Christ commands……. but I am curious.

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By: Ronda Wintheiser https://www.aoiusa.org/acton-svs-poverty-conference-sure-to-spark-some-fireworks/#comment-28073 Thu, 30 May 2013 17:13:58 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=12703#comment-28073 In reply to The Anti-Gnostic.

Unless, of course, he is ill physically or mentally and consequently unable to work?

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By: The Anti-Gnostic https://www.aoiusa.org/acton-svs-poverty-conference-sure-to-spark-some-fireworks/#comment-28072 Thu, 30 May 2013 17:08:44 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=12703#comment-28072 In reply to Ronda Wintheiser.

I know a homeless man who went to Yale and is articulate and sharp. Odds are, he could teach me more than I could teach him.

If he went to Yale and is articulate and sharp, he is poor by choice. He’s actually the servant who buries his talent. St. Paul instructed the Church at Thessalonica to deny charity to such men.

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