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Comments on: Wesley Smith on Peter Singer https://www.aoiusa.org/wesley-smith-on-peter-singer/ A Research and Educational Organization that engages the cultural issues of the day within the Orthodox Christian Tradition Tue, 15 Jun 2010 00:07:01 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.3.3 By: Scott Pennington https://www.aoiusa.org/wesley-smith-on-peter-singer/#comment-12279 Tue, 15 Jun 2010 00:07:01 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=6949#comment-12279 Just in case anyone doesn’t know who this monster is:

“In 1993, ethicist Peter Singer shocked many Americans by suggesting that no newborn should be considered a person until 30 days after birth and that the attending physician should kill some disabled babies on the spot. Five years later, his appointment as Decamp Professor of Bio-Ethics at Princeton University ignited a firestorm of controversy, though his ideas about abortion and infanticide were hardly new. In 1979 he wrote, “Human babies are not born self-aware, or capable of grasping that they exist over time. They are not persons”; therefore, “the life of a newborn is of less value than the life of a pig, a dog, or a chimpanzee.”

– from Christian Research Institute – http://www.equip.org/articles/peter-singer-s-bold-defense-of-infanticide

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By: Eliot Ryan https://www.aoiusa.org/wesley-smith-on-peter-singer/#comment-12273 Mon, 14 Jun 2010 19:56:50 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=6949#comment-12273 In reply to Michael Bauman.

Yes, prayer is the way to keep in touch with our Creator and Savior. The more you love Him the more you want to be in touch with Him.

I really do not know how bishops pray. In a monastery people are also paying in their cells not only together. One can pray even when talking to others … this is what I’ve read.

Quite true … “we seek knowledge that feeds our self-importance rather than knowledge that humbles and saves”
St Nicholas the Serb:

A timid faith is a vain faith. A timid word is an empty sound. Christ spoke as one who had authority, not timidly, like the pharisees and the sinners. Every word of Christ shines like a candle kindled in the darkness of this world. All the words of philosophers have either already gone out or else will go out. Even a light breeze is able to put them out, but there is no whirlwind either on earth or in the whole universe able to put out the candles of Christ. Precisely because He was able to say that which not a single mortal would dare say: Heaven and earth shall pass away, but My words shall not pass away (Matt. 24, 35).

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By: Michael Bauman https://www.aoiusa.org/wesley-smith-on-peter-singer/#comment-12265 Mon, 14 Jun 2010 16:46:39 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=6949#comment-12265 Yes.

Not any different than the temptation in the garden is it? We become increasingly non-human despite the saving work or our Lord Jesus Christ.

Our humanity is revealed only in prayer is it not? The proper inter-realtionships revealed only in prayer and repentance, are then not?

If we had communities of prayer our humanity would be so visible in the darkness of non-humanity that….well I don’t really know what, but we’d be really busy carrying one another’s burdens.

Interesting that in the accounts of the EA, other than scheduled liturgical events, I have found no references to the bishops praying together. Lots of history, politics, reasons for not doing anything. Lots of “Wow, its good for us to be here” (like Peter on Mt. Tabor).

We seek knowledge that feeds our self-importance rather than knowledge that humbles and saves, at least I do. I have itching ears. God forgive me.

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By: Eliot Ryan https://www.aoiusa.org/wesley-smith-on-peter-singer/#comment-12248 Mon, 14 Jun 2010 02:29:59 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=6949#comment-12248 St Nicholas the Serb (Bishop Nicholas (Velimirovich) of Zhicha ) contemporary Church Father, described in a few words the spiritual and moral decadence of contemporary mankind : ‘Life without aim and death without hope’.

Mankind discovered zoology and biology and rejected the Gospel.

Now we know that we are descendants of orang-outangs and gorillas – monkeys, we are not yours and not of your Heavenly Father. Now we are perfecting ourselves in order to become gods, for we do not recognize any gods other than ourselves.

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By: Michael Bauman https://www.aoiusa.org/wesley-smith-on-peter-singer/#comment-12243 Sun, 13 Jun 2010 23:47:38 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=6949#comment-12243 Satan whispers in all of our ears, we hear what we want to hear. The distraction of the bishops failure to lead is just another one with which we all have to contend. It seems to be quite popular does it not?

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By: Eliot Ryan https://www.aoiusa.org/wesley-smith-on-peter-singer/#comment-12230 Sat, 12 Jun 2010 19:43:35 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=6949#comment-12230

Yes, just look at the time, effort and energy expended on this blog alone …

I’ve been wondering about it too. Looking through 6 feet of comments one can find about 1.75 feet inspirational stuff. I gave up … sort of. I read only trusted contributors.

The Fathers use to sealed their lips, so that no unnecessary word passed them. Maybe things will change if we don’t jump up to write down every time an idea flies through mind. What about a “Lord have mercy on me a sinner” every 5 minutes at least?

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By: Eliot Ryan https://www.aoiusa.org/wesley-smith-on-peter-singer/#comment-12229 Sat, 12 Jun 2010 19:26:48 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=6949#comment-12229 In reply to Michael Bauman.

Singer and his fellow travelers are a newer wave though.

Michael, now that we pointed this out … I recall I’ve read somewhere that the time will come when people committing suicide won’t impress much anyone anymore. It will become something common.

Singes’ & all activism may very well build up such a devastating mindset. People will become more and more ready to receive satan’s suggestions and to do his bidding.

Our salvation is God, the One who loves us. The world has become so much full of “oasis mirages”, that it has become difficult to find the easy path through Christ.
Lord have mercy on us and save us!

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By: Michael Bauman https://www.aoiusa.org/wesley-smith-on-peter-singer/#comment-12226 Sat, 12 Jun 2010 15:03:39 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=6949#comment-12226 In reply to Eliot Ryan.

Yes, just look at the time, effort and energy expended on this blog alone on personalities within the Church and Church polity while far more substantial issues go without much comment.

Peter Singer and his ilk represent an all out assualt on our humanity and we are distracted by our own circus. The assualt is nothing new, the current version has been going on for almost 200 years. Singer and his fellow travelers are a newer wave though.

The Christian faith and the Orthodox Church in particular has the weapons to fight these battles. Instead we are not unlike the Union army during much of the Civil War, we sit around looking great on the drill field in great spit and polish. Meanwhile the rank and file soldiers on both sides are being slaughtered. Not until Lincoln found an uncouth, sloppy, alcoholic, cigar-smoking fighter in Gen. Grant, did the war begin to turn for the Union.

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By: Eliot Ryan https://www.aoiusa.org/wesley-smith-on-peter-singer/#comment-12214 Fri, 11 Jun 2010 18:12:17 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=6949#comment-12214 In reply to Michael Bauman.

Unbelievable how many bad seeds satan has sown. His schemes are more subtle now: adding a little truth to the lie, trying to convince us that our sin is “justifiable”, that life is not worth living, things will never get better.
We know that he has already lost… big time!

“Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

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By: Fr. Johannes Jacobse https://www.aoiusa.org/wesley-smith-on-peter-singer/#comment-12211 Fri, 11 Jun 2010 17:07:58 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=6949#comment-12211 In reply to Michael Bauman.

One of my favorite essays: The Great Liberal Death Wish.

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By: Michael Bauman https://www.aoiusa.org/wesley-smith-on-peter-singer/#comment-12199 Fri, 11 Jun 2010 14:00:59 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=6949#comment-12199 Since man is the focal point of God’s grace and order for the creation, a lot more than a few species would die if we committed suicide. However, even if we did, Jesus Christ would still be fully human.

Its not going to happen. However, it does show quite graphically the end result when one separates from God. Satan himself is refuting his own original lie: “surely you will not die!”

Now the lie has shifted as he wispers in the ears of all who will listen…”everyone will be better off if you were dead”

That is the suicidal temptation. Satan is such a good liar, he makes it sound as if it is your own thoughts. He appeals to our innate function to care for others; to dress and keep the earth, then twists it into a horror.

“Let God arise, let His enemies be scattered….”

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By: Eliot Ryan https://www.aoiusa.org/wesley-smith-on-peter-singer/#comment-12198 Fri, 11 Jun 2010 13:13:40 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=6949#comment-12198 In reply to cynthia curran.

Cynthia, the subject here is Human Extinction as Way of Avoiding Suffering. Human extinction may lead to the extinction of some animal species.

There are serious symptoms of depression. “I want to die , I don’t want to live like this its not worth it” is the cry of the lonely being in meaningless universe.

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By: cynthia curran https://www.aoiusa.org/wesley-smith-on-peter-singer/#comment-12195 Fri, 11 Jun 2010 05:15:57 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=6949#comment-12195 Well, I think generally treatment of animals has improved over the course of history but sometimes human existance will conflict with the preservation of some animal species. In fact, it wasn’t until the 20th century people care enough to try to protect some species from extinction. For example, many years ago I read in translation Julius Caesar’s Wars in Gaul and of course about the anicent auroch which existed in Europe for centuries and behind extinct in medieval Europe. The early byzanines still had some wild beast hunts but they seem to dropped off in the 6th century and empress Theodora
s father was known as a bearkeeper which might have involved some bear baiting. Also, chariot races were a dangerious sport to men and animals but by the middle part of the medieval ages the chariot races had dropped out of Constantinople. Orthodox like to talk about the glory days of the Byzantine Empire and the Empire built structures like Aquaeducts, Cisterns and roads and forts and defense walls that made people’s lives better but it might have involved the death of some animals or insects.

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By: Eliot Ryan https://www.aoiusa.org/wesley-smith-on-peter-singer/#comment-12154 Thu, 10 Jun 2010 14:33:54 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=6949#comment-12154 This is not only the natural consequence of rejecting human exceptionalism. It is the logical consequence of a life lived without God. A life lived without God is the outcome of a the decision to replace God with the man. It may have started about one thousands years ago when some decided to bestow on one of themselves infallible authority.

Such anti-human advocates speak out for the devil. This is not real concern for the sufferings of innocents in the future. They still have the chance to turn to God. They are to one who can pray for their parents, grandparents, for all.
Life After Death
by St. John Maximovitch

O relatives and close ones of the dead! Do for them what is needful for them and within your power. Use your money not for outward adornment of the coffin and grave, but in order to help those in need, in memory of your close ones who have died, for churches, where prayers for them are offered. Show mercy to the dead, take care of their souls. [8]

Before us all stands the same path, and how we shall then wish that we would be remembered in prayer! Let us therefore be ourselves merciful to the dead.

As soon as someone has reposed, immediately call or inform a priest, so he can read the Prayers appointed to be read over all Orthodox Christians after death.

Elder Cleopa of Romania (1912-1998)

The Church carries out incessant intercession for Her members. The angels and apostles, martyrs and patriarchs and most especially our Lady the Theotokos, pray for us all. And this union is the life of the Church. The Saviour Himself assures us that our prayers will not pass unnoticed- above all those that we make from love for our neighbor. He tells us:’Therefore I say unto you, what things soever ye desire when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.'(Mk.11:24) Consequently, prayer for the reposed is not only a sign and strengthening of the love we share between us, but also a proof of our faith. Thus the Saviour says, ‘If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth’ (Mk.9:23).

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