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Comments on: The Conservative Moment https://www.aoiusa.org/the-conservative-moment/ A Research and Educational Organization that engages the cultural issues of the day within the Orthodox Christian Tradition Sun, 07 Nov 2010 00:38:40 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.3.3 By: cynthia curran https://www.aoiusa.org/the-conservative-moment/#comment-14864 Sun, 07 Nov 2010 00:38:40 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=8285#comment-14864 True, the Republicans are a lot better now on immmirgation since Bush was president. I read that his own state of Texas was adding about 91,000 illegal immirgants a year from 2000 to 20006 and his state was lucky since whites and some 2nd and 3rd generation Mexicans vote more Republican than those in California. California started to pick up a lot of illegal immirgants around 1975 and it turn it from purple to blue and Texas needs to get more serious about this like Arizona and Ok. Texas has some politicans good on illegal immirgation but they invented the cheap illegal labor even before California did it, hopefully, the next Republican Candidate isn’t from a border state like California or Texas or Arizona. All three produce the worst of the immirgation issue.

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By: Fr. Johannes Jacobse https://www.aoiusa.org/the-conservative-moment/#comment-14837 Thu, 04 Nov 2010 18:19:37 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=8285#comment-14837 George, Obamacare has to be repealed. We cannot compromise on this. I read earlier this morning that Obamacare is the one item Obama will not give up. As long as it remains on the books, it leaves open the possibility that government may reach deep into the private lives of Americans and control it.

Alongside this is the very real threat of people like Sebelius, Clinton, Boxer and legions of others who are deeply confused about the intrinsic value of human life to decide who lives and who dies through the power of the purse. This threat is very real. All these politicians are supported by Planned Parenthood and other culture of death organizations. This financial and ideological tie should be kept as far away from concrete legislation as possible.

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By: George Michalopulos https://www.aoiusa.org/the-conservative-moment/#comment-14830 Thu, 04 Nov 2010 15:03:54 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=8285#comment-14830 One of the great things about Tues is that “Don’t Ask/Don’t Tell” may still remain on the books. The Obamacrats had their chance to overturn it for two years, now I simply don’t see a scenario in which it will even be brought up for electoral consideration. (Except during the upcoming lame-duck session or if it’s overturned by the judiciary.)

Also, no more amnesty for illegal aliens, cap-and-trade, and new social programs. I don’t know if Obamacare can be repealed but it can certainly be defunded.

It is a glorious day!

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By: cynthia curran https://www.aoiusa.org/the-conservative-moment/#comment-14824 Thu, 04 Nov 2010 05:11:01 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=8285#comment-14824 Good point, Chris, California is a perfect example of a state once more willing to vote for Republicans that once relied heavy on the miltary-industrical complex. La believe or not wasn’t as liberal in 1980 when a big chunk of the defense spending built the aerospace industies. When Bush Sr cut the defense spending after Ronald Reagan built up during the cold war a lot of aerospace workers were lay off and moved out. So, the region tends to like the federal government to built up its economy because it did from the 1940’s to the early 1990’s. Hence when the aerospace industry went down in the 1990’s, the population shifted more Democratic.

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By: Chris https://www.aoiusa.org/the-conservative-moment/#comment-14822 Thu, 04 Nov 2010 04:56:04 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=8285#comment-14822 Some comments Cynthia. Free trade was concept lost on the Bush administration at least as much as the current one. And when we speak of small government, if it doesn’t include our military spending (as much as it pains some to hear this) it’s not really small government.

Someone who is “conservative” to a free market thinker like Hayek was no different than a Liberal. He believed both to have socialist tendencies that could move into Fascism. By denfinition, both conservatives and liberals believe in “big government.” Classical Liberals, or paleoconservatives are truly those who look/think/act locally (less Federal intrusion) and believe in the small to medium sized business as the hub of a successful society. And I say small to medium because these large enterprises/corporations aren’t characteristic of true capitalism rather to the government/business conglomerate that we have today, which is much closer to fascism than capitalism. (We should all look more closely behind the history to the 16th Amendment of our Constitution; the period it took place, if it’s truly Constitutional etc.)

The thing with believing in the free market is that we never know who is going to be economically successful, and that’s the point. People have grown accustomed to guarantees and politicians have grown accustomed to promising guarantees when that’s not what this nation is built upon. We’re built upon opportunity (the most free arena to attempt to succeed) not a guaranteed jackpot.

So, if certain States are prone to be less successful – like for isntance West Virginia a State that bases its existence on Federal dollars then that’s on them. I mean just following the race for governor in Ohio last night I noticed that most of the financially declining counties/districts in the State were the ones in which the candidate that supported the more “progressive agenda” was winning. Is this coincidence? Absolutely not!

It makes one think twice as to why LeBron James would leave a city with some of the highest taxes to live in a State with virtually no taxes. His choice was the right one for his family, eventhough the way he did it was in poor taste. And Appalachia speaks for itself.

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By: cynthia curran https://www.aoiusa.org/the-conservative-moment/#comment-14819 Thu, 04 Nov 2010 03:06:08 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=8285#comment-14819 Another comment while I agree with repubicians in philosophy small government alone will not mean that people are always doing well ecnomically. What do I mean by that, I help a lot of Republicans say that states that do well economically have their philosophy. Well, Miss is still at the bottom of the pack and Ma which Dems do well has a lot higher income and a lot less poverty, but higher cost of living. Demographics plays a role. Whites in states like Minnesota and Wisconian which are of German and Scandovian stock do better than either West Virginia and Kentucky which are of Scott-Irish descent. Granted, in the state of Michigan heavy unionziation and about an average educational force, not the high educational force of the NorthEast has led to its economic problems.

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By: cynthia curran https://www.aoiusa.org/the-conservative-moment/#comment-14818 Thu, 04 Nov 2010 02:45:08 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=8285#comment-14818 Well its several factors but I feel that the Bush years were the old Southern approach of the Republican Party and this appeal mainly to the evangelicals and free trade and business subsidy states like Texas. Wisconian has an advantage since one thing the Dems complain is the high poverty rate of Texas around 16 percent because of a lot of low skilled hispanics at the border and towns like Houston being heavy hispanic and Afro-American which means Houston a higher poverty rate than San Jose Ca which is more asian and hispanic. Wisconian has a lower poverty than both states and has an unemployment rate lower than Texas. Only Racine and Milkaukee are rather high in Wisconian. The Green Party Candidate helped in the case of IL.

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By: Andrew https://www.aoiusa.org/the-conservative-moment/#comment-14811 Wed, 03 Nov 2010 20:30:41 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=8285#comment-14811 At least Orthodox Christians will not have to endure six years of Alexi Giannoulias in the Senate. Giannoulias really was the great trifecta Pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage, pro-ground zero mosque. Hard to believe Alexi lost Obama’s seat.

I bet the folks at 79th Street are not too happy with Alexi losing. Alexi Giannoulias is the new Michael Dukakis.

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By: Harry Coin https://www.aoiusa.org/the-conservative-moment/#comment-14810 Wed, 03 Nov 2010 19:10:03 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=8285#comment-14810 Re: Shift– Iowa passed a referendum outlawing gay marriage a couple years back. The Iowa supreme court rejected this law which passed by a huge margin. This allowed gay marriage to go forward in Iowa owing to the democrat party control of the iowa senate and governorship abetted a little by ‘hiding’ of some ‘rino’ types in the iowa senate.

Yesterday Iowa elected a republican governor and voted NOT to retain the three iowa supreme court justices up for ‘retention’ votes. Unprecidented in Iowa history.

At the polling place I visited during the Obama presidential election turnout was 59%. This off-year election turnout was 72%.

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By: Chris https://www.aoiusa.org/the-conservative-moment/#comment-14808 Wed, 03 Nov 2010 18:31:15 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=8285#comment-14808 I wouldn’t call it a wuss drink – if you’d had said “Frappe” instead of “Latte” then perhaps we’re talking encroachment into wuss-territory. I think you’re still safe and manly. 🙂 Economically speaking, you’ll save around a buck and get better coffee than Starbucks.

Just remind them that Brits put milk in their tea. THEIR TEA! Perhaps it will open up some discussion on the Tea Party and the Conservative Moment.

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By: Fr. Johannes Jacobse https://www.aoiusa.org/the-conservative-moment/#comment-14806 Wed, 03 Nov 2010 18:12:18 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=8285#comment-14806 So are latte’s really a wuss drink? 🙂 Be honest. (Hey, emoticons can soften the blow!)

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By: Chris https://www.aoiusa.org/the-conservative-moment/#comment-14805 Wed, 03 Nov 2010 17:41:17 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=8285#comment-14805 Be forewarned. If you ask for anything “latte” they’ll look at your funny or may even poke a joke. “Coffee snobs” 😉 They’ll make it for you…

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By: Fr. Johannes Jacobse https://www.aoiusa.org/the-conservative-moment/#comment-14803 Wed, 03 Nov 2010 17:26:57 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=8285#comment-14803 Libertarian coffee! Sounds interesting. I actually like latte’s (yea, I know it’s an NPR drink but some vices are hard to overcome :)) but I’ll give it a shot.

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By: Chris https://www.aoiusa.org/the-conservative-moment/#comment-14802 Wed, 03 Nov 2010 17:06:00 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=8285#comment-14802 Cartel Coffee. Leans heavily Ron Paul and Orthodox – best capuccino in town. 😉

Cheers

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By: Fr. Johannes Jacobse https://www.aoiusa.org/the-conservative-moment/#comment-14799 Wed, 03 Nov 2010 14:26:42 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=8285#comment-14799 I’m actually in Prescott for a few days staying with Fr. John Peck. He teaches Latin in the morning, I hitch a ride to Stabucks and do my thing.

What’s the name of the place in Phoenix?

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