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Comments on: The Boy Scouts’ Bankruptcy Is Not Just Financial. It’s Moral https://www.aoiusa.org/the-boy-scouts-bankruptcy-is-not-just-financial-its-moral/ A Research and Educational Organization that engages the cultural issues of the day within the Orthodox Christian Tradition Wed, 09 Jan 2019 19:39:01 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.3.3 By: Anna Stickles https://www.aoiusa.org/the-boy-scouts-bankruptcy-is-not-just-financial-its-moral/#comment-314460 Wed, 09 Jan 2019 19:39:01 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=15520#comment-314460 Both males and females need role models and teaching about self-restraint, the importance of sobriety and dignity, etc. The emphasis on self-will and lack of teaching about self-restraint I think can directly be traced to the new morality (http://time.com/4115439/student-protests-microaggressions/) that is being adopted:

“What many find shocking about these phenomena is that they involve rejecting previously conventional moral injunctions to ignore insults, recognize the good intentions of those who accidentally give offense, and be charitable and civil toward those with whom we disagree. They instead illustrate a high sensitivity to slight, such that verbal offenses or even disagreements merit a serious response. They suggest a new morality.”

Lack of self restraint does not only, or even primarily effect our sexuality, but it effects our ability to relate to recognize and restrain the automatic emotional and mental reactions that arise due to stress or insults or offense. It makes a person morally weak and unable to control or stand back from and reflect on one’s own thoughts and feelings. People start to identify with their thoughts and feelings and be much more controlled by them in an atmosphere that idolizes self-will, “authenticity” (ie acting out on and affirming whatever thought or feeling we have)

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By: Fr. Ioannes Apiarius https://www.aoiusa.org/the-boy-scouts-bankruptcy-is-not-just-financial-its-moral/#comment-314346 Sun, 06 Jan 2019 23:03:19 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=15520#comment-314346 The Boy Scouts organization is a good example of what happens when weak and cowardly men are in charge. They lack the strong moral foundation and solid backbones required of those in positions of authority. These weak individuals always compromise their beliefs and cave in to social pressure, especially when the LGBT propaganda machine comes knocking.

Make no mistake about it, the homosexualists will pervert and destroy everything they target. They want to sexualize and homosexualize all institutions and organizations. Every time weak men compromise and give in to the demands of the LGBT aggressiveness it only emboldens the homosexualists. Each victory leads them to push even harder in targeting the next institution, organization, company, business, or individual. No amount of compromise or middle ground is enough. They seek the total annihilation of traditional morality.

Weakness and cowardice in the face of these assaults does nothing but encourage the LGBT radicals to go even further. The LGBT flag must be flown everywhere, even in your own churches and homes. Everyone must celebrate it. Your children must be indoctrinated. All boys and girls must accept that abnormality is normal. They must be sexualized as early as possible. Your children must learn sexual perversion and celebrate the LGBT doctrines from elementary school through college, and beyond.

Christian parents wake up! The abnormal cannot dictate what’s normal. The LGBT activists condemn your moral judgment as “hate.” They denounce your criticisms of sodomy and sexual depravity as “homophobia.” They denigrate your traditional Christian beliefs as “bigotry.” They attack your refusal to embrace and celebrate the LGBT agenda as “dangerous.”

Christian parents, don’t seek the approval and praise of the homosexualists. They don’t desire understanding or rapprochement, but your complete surrender. There is no compromise possible with those who seek to corrupt children and rebel against God’s laws.

Christian parents, pick up your crosses and follow Christ. Stand up against the unrelenting homosexualist assaults. Defend your family. Make a stand. Protect the innocence of your children. Don’t back down. Stand on your moral principles. Fight back!

Christian parents, be prepared for the hatred of the world. This is the price we all pay when we stand for truth and righteousness. Remember that the Lord warned us, “if the world hates you, know that it has hated me before it hated you”, and “a servant is not greater than his master. If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also” (John 15:18-21).

– Fr. Ioannes Apiarius

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By: M. Stankovich https://www.aoiusa.org/the-boy-scouts-bankruptcy-is-not-just-financial-its-moral/#comment-314305 Sat, 05 Jan 2019 22:56:34 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=15520#comment-314305 Like Prof. Siewers, I too recall the days of proudly wearing the Cub Scout uniform to school, completed by the kerchief neatly pressed by my grandmother that morning around my neck. All the more important was the fact that nobody could afford the uniform new, so most of us proudly settled on just the shirt & kerchief, handed down from someone. While it is not the focus of Prof. Siewers’ essay, there is no denying (from Norman Rockwell above, and the values & priorities that did not reflect the reality around us) that BSA has always been a White, middle-class endeavor. Then came some federal judge’s decision that racial integration should be “forced,” and onto a bus me and my neighbors went to middle school in the suburbs (“But wait, I’m white!”), and on the first Wednesday, as customary on the day our Den met after school, we wore our Cub Scout shirts and pressed kerchiefs. Oh, and there was also the small matter of the Viet Nam war and those sneaky, pesky attacks known as the “Tet Offensive of 1968” occurring at the exact same time as we got off the bus in those uniforms. Everyone of the 6 or 7 of us were harassed, kicked & punched, our kerchiefs and slider stolen, anything of value taken from us by the older high school kids (“May I remind you I am white”). They called us “ROTC” (“What?”) and obscenities. The point is that my distinct impression is that the value and influence of BSA is as much overly exaggerated as it is contextually limited. BSA generalizes poorly.

Secondly, when stating that “the central issue was not admitting openly LGBTQIA-identifying members and leaders, but redefining the group’s value of freedom as self-expression, rather than self-restraint,” and making a vague reference to a “hard-fought U.S. Supreme Court victory by the organization to preserve membership rules,” Prof. Siewers is factually correct, but fails to convey how profound the impact of the “hard fought victory” might be. He is referring to Boy Scouts of America v Dale (a gay Scoutmaster dismissed by BSA because he disclosed he was a homosexual) decided by the SCOTUS June 28 , 2000; summarized at the SCOTUS site Oyez:

In a 5-4 opinion delivered by Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist, the Court held that “applying New Jersey’s public accommodations law to require the Boy Scouts to admit Dale violates the Boy Scouts’ First Amendment right of expressive association.” In effect, the ruling gives the Boy Scouts of America a constitutional right to bar homosexuals from serving as troop leaders. Chief Justice Rehnquist wrote for the Court that, “[t]he Boy Scouts asserts that homosexual conduct is inconsistent with the values it seeks to instill,” and that a gay troop leader’s presence “would, at the very least, force the organization to send a message, both to the young members and the world, that the Boy Scouts accepts homosexual conduct as a legitimate form of behavior.”

In effect, the SCOTUS ruled that a private organization had the right to freely associate with only those who meet a specific criterion (criteria) – in this case a moral behaviour(s). It seems to me that Prof. Siewers is saying they forsook the “hard-fought victory” and instead freely chose the path of immorality. Again this would be factually correct. But it is certainly not the entire story.

Here in San Diego, there was a similar case of a Scoutmaster and leader dismissed after he disclosed he was homosexual; he chose to wait for the BSA v Dale decision. When the SCOTUS ruled in favor of the BSA, LGBT groups in San Diego filed protests that the City of San Diego was allowing the BSA to utilize, among several city facilities, a very large “clubhouse” facility in Balboa Park, in the middle of the city (home to the zoo, air & space museum, etc.), at no cost. Bear in mind, San Diego County is a “red” county in a “blue” state – home port of the USS Ronald Reagan and USS Nimitz carrier groups, Naval Air Station Miramar, North Island Naval Air Station, Marine Camp Pendleton, etc. and the city has traditionally been very supportive of BSA. The City Council of San Diego had no choice but to remove them from public facilities. While the “freedom of association” for a private entity such as BSA is not illegal nor discriminatory, this is not to say it does not come without consequences. I can’t imagine similar decisions have not been made across the US. There is no “justification” for moral bankruptcy, yet the instinct for survival is potent, however misguided.

Finally, as a scientist, I know that all the anecdote one can fit in a normal grocery shopping cart tells you absolutely nothing more than the need for research. There simply is no definitive data that would indicate, in the negative, 1) that a lack of male role modeling – be it from a primary male care provider, same-gender sibling, etc. – is detrimental to normal male role development; 2) that males raised by a female as the primary care provider will suffer more “deficits” in ego-strength and character than males raised by a male as the primary care provider. Conversely, it seems to me that studies attempting to “equate” child development in, for example, same-sex head-of-household parenting relationships are necessarily forced to measure themselves against the established criteria of a one male, one female parenting relationship because it is unquestionably the paradigm. It seems to me that we possess more than enough longitudinal data to incorporate these standards into our discussion.

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By: Patrick J. Teague, Sr. https://www.aoiusa.org/the-boy-scouts-bankruptcy-is-not-just-financial-its-moral/#comment-314287 Sat, 05 Jan 2019 16:17:47 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=15520#comment-314287 As a Cub Scout in the 50’s, a Boy Scout in the 60’s, and a Scout Master in the 80’s and 90’s, it is terribly painful to see what has killed the best boys-to-men organization in Western Society. As you described, Moral Bankruptcy leads to all othe bankruptcy. Boy Scouts have been attacked with premeditated by Communism since the early 60’s. When Communists overtook protests and universities in the late 60’s, Scouting’s fate was sealed. God haters’ zeal wins. Lord have mercy on what is left in Civilization.

By the way, my great-grandfather, James Arthur Fenn was in America’s first Boy Scout Troup 1 in Pawhuska, (Indian Territory) Oklahoma, and in later years was the very first Silver Beaver recipient in Scouting. This hits close to home.

Pat Teague,
Sub-Deacon

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