Maxim, the actual danger from the Arabs, though obvious in the macro sense, is frankly overstated. Most every Arab state is a failed state and their populations are in chaos to one degree or another. Their deficits are many and various, including an exaggerated sense of importance, an imaginary list of grievances against the West, cultural inferiority to Christendom, and complete military ineptness. The exceptions are few: small countries like Oman and the Emirates seem to be stable and functional but they’re outliers. And none of them are militarily significant.

Had the Palestinians played their cards right, they could have achieved success over the Israelis but their inability to think long-term strategically has been their one constant hallmark. An example manifested itself in the second Intifada and its destructiveness, which pretty much destroyed the fanciful ideas of the Israeli Left. These leftist fools, like multiculturalists everywhere. believed that all ethnicities and races can live in harmony with one another. The savagery of the average Palestinian during the Intifida destroyed this idiotic notion (and the Israeli Left) once and for all. Hence, the strategic fence which the Israelis built which quarantines Gaza and the West Bank has not only secured the population of Israel (Arab as well as Jew) but created the contours of a future Palestine which will be unviable.

In America, this view –that borders don’t matter/”press 1 for English”/etc. is mercifully dying as well.

While Israel’s destruction would not be immediate, it would certainly be imminent. How many European countries do you know that would not need a super power like the United States to protect them, if they had 56 Islamic countries Salivating at their destruction? Would they not be a client state as well? How many countries defend themselves on their own anyway? Israel may have nuclear, but so does Pakistan and soon Iran will as well and they have made it their stated goal to wipe Israel off the map. As far as demographics, that may be true, just look at Europe, but the “right of return” would be the real game changer.

Maxim, excellent point. Although Israeli Jews very often despise Christians, we are allowed to worship very freely. There simply is no moral equivalence what obtains in Israel and anywhere else in the Arab-Islamic world. To suggest otherwise is sheer lunacy.

Pravoslavac, your sources about the demographic reality in Israel is far from correct. If anything, the Jewish population of Israel is the only “Western” demographic that is growing. All things being equal, the population of Israel by the middle of this century will be about 27 milliion (with the non-Jewish segment being about the same proportion). By contrast, the Turkey (to just pick one country) will be majority Kurdish by 2038 based on present demographic trends.

Like Maxim, I do approve of your two first suggestions.

As for the horrible things said in the Talmud, you are largely correct. However the racialism that is found there is unremarkable from a Darwinian standpoint. The incompatibility with this view with the universalism of monotheism is plain. This means that Rabbinic Judaism, of which the Talmud is the foundational text, is little more than a tribal religion, shorn of any univeralistic message. The danger of course is that most nationalist Orthodox churches have taken up this same attitude: the diminution of God to a national deity.

To stop support of Israel would be tantamount to their destruction.

I doubt this. Israel remains the strongest military power, and the only nuclear power (so far, anyway), in the Middle East. Pravoslavac is right that the real threat to Israel is not military or economic, but demographic. No amount of support from the United States can fix that problem.

In any case, a state that cannot survive without the active and ongoing support of a greater power is not truly an independent state, but a client state of that greater power. Is that what Israel truly is, and desires to be? And how does that relationship serve the interests of the United States?

This is what Trifkovic meant when he said in this article: “… the Muslims scored an incredible coup on 9-11. They effectively tested the limits of ‘tolerance’ of the Western elite class at an entirely new order of magnitude—and they found out that there are no limits!” In other words, today’s politicians tremble at the thought of even appearing “intolerant.”

FWIW, don’t think public opinion only matters in Western demorcracies; the fact is that even a dictator has to be careful not to lose his popular support, or he will soon be an ex-dictator (and very often a dead one!). The ones who form public opinion are the real rulers of the world! =:o

Sorry for the assumption. The issue is simple. Either we support the only democratic country in the region that allows for freedom of religion and conscience or we support a group of people who are motivated by the most radical and oppressive ideology on the planet. Islamic regimes, such as the Ottoman Empire know a thing or two about “taking land away”. The Talmud may have such teachings, but in reality, how many churches are there in Mecca? What happens to Coptic Christians when they try to build new churches or repair old ones that the muslims destroy? What happens to a person of conscience who decides to convert from Islam to Christianity in Pakistan? I could go on and on Pravoslavac. Muslims have global and supremecist goals that Judaism does not have. The implications are pretty clear. One just has to admit what is right in front of our very eyes.

First, I’m not a Serb. Don’t make assumptions.

Second, what pro-Muslim propaganda do you think I’m citing?

You’re conflating so many issues here I don’t where to begin. Serbs and Israelis are in completely different situations. In recent years, Serbs have lost effective control of Serbian regions in Bosnia-Hercegovina and Kosovo, due in no small part to their own short-sightedness, and are facing serious threats from Muslims (both Bosniaks and Albanians). Israel also faces serious demographic, political, and military threats from Muslims, but the critical distinction is that the Israelis brought this on themselves by taking land away from Arabs, land which Jews had not occupied in nearly two thousand years.

I am implacably opposed to radical Islam, which aims at the destruction of the West. But I recommend you spend some time in Israel/Palestine too, to see how our “ally,” which receives billions of US dollars annually in aid, actually treats Christians. It’s not a pretty picture.

Why ludicrous? Israel is doomed anyway by demographics, no matter what we do.

As for your comments about Islam’s “bible” – it’s undeniable that anti-Christian and even more anti-Jewish feelings are hard-wired into Islam and date to the Prophet Muhammad himself. Islam is openly supremacist in its views towards Judaism and Christianity.

But Judaism is no more favorable towards Christianity than Islam is – and if we’re debating caninical texts it’s even more hostile. The Talmud (which, contrary to what most Christians believe, is what actually governs Jewish belief and life – not the Old Testament) is openly anti-Christian in a manner more virulent than anything in the Koran, which portrays Jesus Christ as a great prophet (though of course not divine).

The Talmud, in addition to clarifying that committing crimes (theft, rape, even in some cases murder) against non-Jews (ie goyim) is acceptable, portrays Jesus Christ as a sorcerer and criminal, conceived by Mary’s adultery with a Roman soldier, who winds up justly executed by the Jews for his “crimes” (the Romans never even appear in the Talmudic account, which boasts of Jewish responsibility for Christ’s death) – after which he spends eternity in Hell boiling in excrement.

So I suggest you not use what’s in the Koran as an argument for Orthodox Christians to support Israel.

PS In case you think I’m off my rocker, read the excellent scholarly work by Prof Peter Schafer, “Jesus in the Talmud” (Princeton Univ Press, 2007).

1. Cease Muslim immigration to our country. We basically didn’t let Asians in from 1924 to 1965, how about a 40-year moratorium on any immigration from Islamic countries?

2. For the Muslims already here, we must treat Islamism as a virulent and often violent anti-Western political ideology which is NOT protected as a religion. Like Communists during the Cold War, they should be monitored as a fifth column.

3. End our wars in Muslim countries. As in ASAP. And stop pretending that their hatred of us isn’t linked to our deep and unquestioning support for Israel – a country which is no friend of Christians either.