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Comments on: ‘South Park’ and the Informal Fatwa https://www.aoiusa.org/south-park-and-the-informal-fatwa/ A Research and Educational Organization that engages the cultural issues of the day within the Orthodox Christian Tradition Wed, 28 Apr 2010 17:52:36 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.3.3 By: Fr. Johannes Jacobse https://www.aoiusa.org/south-park-and-the-informal-fatwa/#comment-11006 Wed, 28 Apr 2010 17:52:36 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=6516#comment-11006

If you read Naipaul and especially Ibn Warraq, you get a better picture of the secularist west’s use of the image of Islam as a foil against Church.

Fr. John, can you expand on this?

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By: Fr. John https://www.aoiusa.org/south-park-and-the-informal-fatwa/#comment-11003 Wed, 28 Apr 2010 16:51:35 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=6516#comment-11003 “It’s not a threat, but it really is a likely outcome,” […] “They’re going to be basically on a list in the back of the minds of a large number of Muslims. It’s just the reality.”

The truth of things, according to Islam’s ‘posse of believers’ serves as another example of what it means to be a sincere believer in that book. The Christ we find in our Book requires much of us; the voice ‘incarnated’ in theirs requires much of the rest of us, insisting that we be cowed.
I wonder what the limit of our tolerance for their intolerance is, and what will our intolerance look like when it manifests? The court case in France regarding the veiled woman driver and her polygamous husband right now may be the tipping point.

South Park has already been the subject of an entire politically-oriented book, S.P. Conservatives. To go off about Frank Schaeffer at this point is silly – this is about the genetic trait native to Islam to resort to terrorism. We ought to question our complacency in the face of this overt threat, certainly. The genesis of secular Western islamophilia is in anti-catholic Reform polemic, not in any political stance currently on the scene. If you read Naipaul and especially Ibn Warraq, you get a better picture of the secularist west’s use of the image of Islam as a foil against Church. I don’ think Zwingli or Calvin really qualify as “leftist” – though they were the Progressives of their day.

Essentialist arguments conflating tolerance for Islamism and any political slant are baseless and easily refuted. Generally, people use whatever rhetorical tools at hand to best their opponents. It distresses me once again to read comments of such divisive nature on this blog. I don’t read AOIUSA to confirm my mistrust of ‘those other people I disagree with on policy’ but to get the zeitgeist of the Orthodox scene and its intersection with popular culture. Please be reasonable. I can search out the crankiness of an Anne Coulter readily enough elsewhere.

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By: George Michalopulos https://www.aoiusa.org/south-park-and-the-informal-fatwa/#comment-10994 Wed, 28 Apr 2010 12:40:51 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=6516#comment-10994 In reply to Fr. Peter.

Fr Peter, that’s the point. Jews, Buddhists, but most especially Christians are still the likeliest target for bigotry. Southpark per se doesn’t bother me (well, a little) as it’s a satire and it gleefully skewers the pieties of the Left with abandon. In fact, that’s probably a reason that so many on the Left are laying low: not only are they cowards, but they’ve been the target of Southpark’s withering mockery in the past.

It’s the more serious liberal commentators who are ever-ready to stab Christians in the back on some important issue that worry me far more than a silly, poorly-drawn cartoon. Think Barry Lynn, Al Sharpton, and our own Frank Schaeffer. They and their ilk have done incalculable damage to the traditionalist point of view, effectively silencing counterveiling forces on the Right. Let’s be honest, up until fairly recently, they’ve had a hammerlock on the media.

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By: Fr. Peter https://www.aoiusa.org/south-park-and-the-informal-fatwa/#comment-10993 Wed, 28 Apr 2010 12:18:04 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=6516#comment-10993 This program takes whacks at Christians and Jews as well, when are we going to rise up and say enough is enough?

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By: Harry Coin https://www.aoiusa.org/south-park-and-the-informal-fatwa/#comment-10989 Wed, 28 Apr 2010 04:45:09 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=6516#comment-10989 I think people looking forward to public employee pension benefits well in excess of what the politicians who enacted them set aside money for should decide whether now really is the time they want to scale back on the number of active duty policemen.

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By: George Michalopulos https://www.aoiusa.org/south-park-and-the-informal-fatwa/#comment-10987 Wed, 28 Apr 2010 02:32:46 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=6516#comment-10987 This is one of the reasons I’ve acquired such a snarling contempt for the Left lo these many years. They act “courageous” when they “cutting edge” things like “Bushitler,” or call Christians “Nazis” but when it comes to taking their cutting edge humor to criticize Islamofascism, then it’s all “never mind.”

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