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Comments on: AXIOS! Seminary Pro Life Group Gears Up for Busy Year https://www.aoiusa.org/seminary-pro-life-group-gears-up-for-busy-year/ A Research and Educational Organization that engages the cultural issues of the day within the Orthodox Christian Tradition Sat, 29 Sep 2012 06:13:41 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.3.3 By: Cynthia Curran https://www.aoiusa.org/seminary-pro-life-group-gears-up-for-busy-year/#comment-26060 Sat, 29 Sep 2012 06:13:41 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=12197#comment-26060 Well, the problem is most American poor are better off on average than rich people in the middle ages. Granted, there are some struggling between food and rent or are homeless but this doesn’t justify abortion. Also, people were certainly more poorer in the age of Justinian but abandoning children to die or selling your daughter into sex slavery was against the law in that time period as well. If he is concern why not have a pro-life left which I think is mainly limited to Roman Catholics.

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By: Cynthia Curran https://www.aoiusa.org/seminary-pro-life-group-gears-up-for-busy-year/#comment-26059 Sat, 29 Sep 2012 06:07:32 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=12197#comment-26059 Well, I found out that in Christ’s time Jews also opposed abortion. Both Philo and Josephus write about Jews opposing abortion as well in the late first century, so naturally the rabbis of Christ’s time and religious leaders also opposed it earlier There is opposition even in pagan culture since the father is denied heirs. Also, criticism even in pagan culture of wealthy wives committing adultery by covering it up by abortion in the writings of Juvenal.

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By: Geo Michalopulos https://www.aoiusa.org/seminary-pro-life-group-gears-up-for-busy-year/#comment-25997 Sat, 22 Sep 2012 03:10:58 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=12197#comment-25997 In reply to Michael Bauman.

Amen.

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By: Michael Bauman https://www.aoiusa.org/seminary-pro-life-group-gears-up-for-busy-year/#comment-25990 Fri, 21 Sep 2012 21:32:31 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=12197#comment-25990 So called ‘social justice’ ends up in tryanny.

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By: Fr. Johannes Jacobse https://www.aoiusa.org/seminary-pro-life-group-gears-up-for-busy-year/#comment-25981 Fri, 21 Sep 2012 03:43:38 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=12197#comment-25981 In reply to Chris Banescu.

I’ve been thinking about your comment all day Chris. In actual fact, it’s the Progressive policies that have perpetuated the breakdown. You have to ask given the catastrophic failure if the real racism doesn’t actually exist there. How else do you explain that almost 75% of the abortions that Planned Parenthood performs are on Black children, and that most of their clinics are located in poorer neighborhoods? Yes, I realize this is politically incorrect but the numbers don’t lie.

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By: macedonianreader https://www.aoiusa.org/seminary-pro-life-group-gears-up-for-busy-year/#comment-25975 Thu, 20 Sep 2012 21:15:32 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=12197#comment-25975 But I don’t think we’re completely divorced from a social justice agenda – ours is just actually based on Church teaching.

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By: Chris Banescu https://www.aoiusa.org/seminary-pro-life-group-gears-up-for-busy-year/#comment-25972 Thu, 20 Sep 2012 18:36:12 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=12197#comment-25972 I keep waiting to see actual information about those specific “conservative policies” that “perpetuate poverty, substandard education, and inadequate healthcare for these littlest ones” and have never heard one example from this leftists-progressive bishop. Even when Met. Savas was asked directly by several conservatives to explain himself he refused to engage and eventually banned/blocked a few Orthodox Christians who dared to ask him these kinds of “uncomfortable” questions.

Like John Couretas summarized it: “Shut up!” or “Pay, pray, and obey!” is the frequent response that priests and the laity get when they dare challenge or question the morally vacuous proclamations of these Orthodox “leaders.” Don’t they realize that such condescension are signs of cowardice and weakness. Rather than re-inforce and confirm their authority these kinds of attitudes undermine their leadership and diminish their righteous authority. Rational sheep will not be fooled by these kinds of games.

Here is the risk inherent in leadership: The greater the leader’s power, wealth, authority, and influence, the more likely the leader could succumb to ethical lapses and moral failings. The risk increases if the organization has a culture that lacks financial or managerial transparency and accountability, has insufficient checks and balances on executive power, and discourages criticism from subordinates or members. When a leader with a poorly developed ethical or moral sense ends up leading an organization with a culture that prevents ethical self-examination, a slow but perfect storm starts to form that demands compromise from all levels of leadership and eventually leads to catastrophic consequences.
http://orthodoxnet.com/blog/2009/09/warning-signs-of-power-corruption-in-organizations/

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By: Fr. Johannes Jacobse https://www.aoiusa.org/seminary-pro-life-group-gears-up-for-busy-year/#comment-25971 Thu, 20 Sep 2012 18:29:38 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=12197#comment-25971 In reply to Chris Banescu.

That’s the trouble with Progressive thinking. Progressive ideas have shaped the dependency culture especially in black urban areas that have essentially destroyed the Black family infrastructure. Then, to deal with the fallout, Progressives offer abortion to ostensibly solve the problems their ideas have fostered. There is seldom any self-reflection in the Progressive ranks, just a repeat of the moralizations used to implement the policies in the first place.

An example? Progressive resistance against school choice is virtually unanimous. They would prefer to keep poor children in substandard government schools for fear of healing the dependency and losing the Black vote. America’s worst performing schools are in Democratically controlled inner-cities.

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By: Chris Banescu https://www.aoiusa.org/seminary-pro-life-group-gears-up-for-busy-year/#comment-25968 Thu, 20 Sep 2012 18:02:21 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=12197#comment-25968 Speaking of other Orthodox hierarchs who have also refused “to take a clear stand on the sanctity of human life”, I am reminded of Metropolitan Savas (Zembillas) and his views on abortion. This particular quote has been prominently displayed in the Favorite Quotes section of his facebook page for a long time.

Metropolitan Savas (Zembillas) on abortion:

“Given the demographics of abortion—which shows a terrible over-representation of young, single, urban, low-income African-American women—I do not understand how a pro-life agenda can be divorced from a social justice agenda. It is impossible for a Christian to acquiesce in policies that allow doctors to suck the life out of a fetus—yet it is deplorably common for Christians to eagerly encourage ‘conservative’ policies that perpetuate poverty, substandard education, and inadequate healthcare for these littlest ones, once they have left the womb.”

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