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Comments on: Russian Orthodox Bishop: Syrian Christians Facing ‘Extermination’ https://www.aoiusa.org/russian-orthodox-bishop-syrian-christians-facing-extermination/ A Research and Educational Organization that engages the cultural issues of the day within the Orthodox Christian Tradition Fri, 09 Nov 2012 19:10:03 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.3.3 By: The Anti-Gnostic https://www.aoiusa.org/russian-orthodox-bishop-syrian-christians-facing-extermination/#comment-26446 Fri, 09 Nov 2012 19:10:03 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=12338#comment-26446 In reply to Harry Coin.

“Don’t blame democracy, that’s not the problem. Not letting people really know they are free to vote themselves greater freedom without reprisals: That’s the problem.”

That’s one of the most garbled statements I’ve ever read. It makes literally no sense. Like something from a spambot.

I don’t know where Americans got this Trotskyite mania for “democracy” in their foreign policy. For much of its existence, the voting franchise only extended to a minority of Americans, as befits a large republic, as opposed to the Swiss cantons or Greek city-states.

At bottom, democracy just means we count up each sides’ rifles, and the ones with fewer agree to go home. This can be good or bad depending on the democratic majority. Places like Zimbabwe and South Africa are anarcho-tyrannies under the rule of their democratic majorities. Syria will be too, once all the crazed, ignorant Salafists get the run of the place.

Does it not strike you as ironic that the rebels’ biggest supporters are two hereditary monarchies that have zero tolerance for any political dissent?

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By: Fr. Johannes Jacobse https://www.aoiusa.org/russian-orthodox-bishop-syrian-christians-facing-extermination/#comment-26404 Thu, 08 Nov 2012 00:51:53 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=12338#comment-26404 In reply to Harry Coin.

If it ask me to do something like that I always hist CTRL-A and CTRL-C just in case. It has saved me a few times.

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By: Harry Coin https://www.aoiusa.org/russian-orthodox-bishop-syrian-christians-facing-extermination/#comment-26401 Wed, 07 Nov 2012 00:51:17 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=12338#comment-26401 In reply to Fr. Hans Jacobse.

I had this really great reply, but lost it when it needed me to fill in some details. I’m not typing it again.

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By: Toby https://www.aoiusa.org/russian-orthodox-bishop-syrian-christians-facing-extermination/#comment-26399 Tue, 06 Nov 2012 21:32:23 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=12338#comment-26399 The current U.S. administration thinks that by taking a “hands off” approach (or hands under the table approach) they will escape the political fallout of their actions. There is no escape from the political ramifications of getting involved in the Middle East. The people of the U.S. were warned of the President’s ignorance of international relations and national security, and now the world is reaping the harvest. The current political atmosphere in the U.S. breeds ignorance, and those who do not learn from history (the arming of al Qaeda in Afghanistan in the 1980s) are doomed to repeat it.

It is shameful, but not surprising, that the U.S. government has taken a “hands off” approach to the suffering of Christians across the globe. The U.S. is a post modern secular country that only seeks to appease the Islamic hordes to avoid further attacks on the homeland. Helping poor and suffering Christians will not produce one barrel of oil, nor will it calm one iota of the irrational Islamic hatred anywhere on the earth.

Pray that the U.S. finds its soul in this election year, or many more will suffer across the globe.

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By: Samn! https://www.aoiusa.org/russian-orthodox-bishop-syrian-christians-facing-extermination/#comment-26397 Tue, 06 Nov 2012 16:06:16 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=12338#comment-26397 Over the summer, I attended a mass given by the Syrian Catholic Patriarch Ignatius Yousef Yonan in Malta. In his homily, he addressed himself in English to the Westerners in attendance and told us that what his people are experiencing is worse than the genocide of 1915, and that it is our responsibility to let the world know this.

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By: Fr. Hans Jacobse https://www.aoiusa.org/russian-orthodox-bishop-syrian-christians-facing-extermination/#comment-26376 Sat, 03 Nov 2012 10:30:50 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=12338#comment-26376 In reply to Harry Coin.

Harry, there is no “forward” if America is supporting Muslim radicalism, which is what we are doing in Libya, Egypt, and Syria. The notion that an “Arab Spring” will flourish by the removal of these men is clearly not happening, in fact the limited freedom enjoyed by Christians is being destroyed and the many Christians along with it. This is not an endorsement of a dictatorship, but a repudiation of the notion that these dictators were holding back political freedom when in fact they were holding back a radicalism that threatened the lives and livelihoods of Christians.

So America (and other western powers) have introduced the plebiscite, and the men voted into office will become worse than the ones thrown out.

It’s time to revisit Jeanne Kirkpatrick’s Dictatorships and Double Standards.

There’s a difference between supporting democracy and the Wilsonian importation of it in different parts of the world. Obama, Hillary, the whole crew are Wilsonian. Obama displays the Carter naivete with an army behind him. Dangerous stuff.

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By: cynthiacurran https://www.aoiusa.org/russian-orthodox-bishop-syrian-christians-facing-extermination/#comment-26374 Sat, 03 Nov 2012 04:50:29 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=12338#comment-26374 Obama is in the post colonial uprise business and arms resistence or allows it to happen. Hilary voice concerns since the recent events that he is backing off.

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By: Harry Coin https://www.aoiusa.org/russian-orthodox-bishop-syrian-christians-facing-extermination/#comment-26373 Sat, 03 Nov 2012 02:58:28 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=12338#comment-26373 If you really want to understand where the pushing and shaping is coming from in the Middle east find a map that shows ethnic populations, a demographic map that only shows political boundaries in very light pencil.

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By: Harry Coin https://www.aoiusa.org/russian-orthodox-bishop-syrian-christians-facing-extermination/#comment-26372 Sat, 03 Nov 2012 02:30:48 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=12338#comment-26372 Here we see the narrative doing it’s work. It is a contradiction in terms this suggested notion of ‘imposing democracy by force’ as no democracy unwanted by the people will last– obviously enough by its very nature if it’s a real democracy and the people vote to end it — it will end.

Second, dictatorship is, was and always will be a very bad idea in any society that is broadly educated and beyond the city-state size– plainly this is so as the population under a dictatorship needs must survive and grow or suffer and die according to the limits of the vision of the dictator: as it changes from moment to moment, era to era. Democracy is what allows the educated locally take local decisions. Democracy is the only system known that allows for success to not be burdened by political whims, courtly intrigues, pressured ‘in name only’ courts, judges.

Really I can’t believe I’m reading this at aoi.

That the Christians in Islamic countries generally were among the better educated, and so more wealthy, more productive isn’t so different than the Jews in Nazi Germany. Easily identified, easily made into objects of envy, easy to make a ‘them’ to mask over the really awful policies of their authoritarian ‘I have a vision from God’ uber-menchen overlords. In this case swap Islamic radicals for Nazis, but it’s the same story.

A dictator as ‘the way forward’? That dictator knew the Christians would return his support in exchange for being left alone, in Syria that man was not the of the most populous ethnic tribal origin. When he lost support, the role of the Jews of the WWII era is being played by the Christians there– what with no Jews left there to beat up upon.

Don’t blame democracy, that’s not the problem. Not letting people really know they are free to vote themselves greater freedom without reprisals: That’s the problem.

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By: Orthodox Collective https://www.aoiusa.org/russian-orthodox-bishop-syrian-christians-facing-extermination/#comment-26371 Sat, 03 Nov 2012 00:43:25 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=12338#comment-26371 […] Orthodox Bishop: Syrian Christians Facing ‘Extermination’ https://www.aoiusa.org/russian-orthodox-bishop-syrian-christians-facing-extermination/Friday, Nov 2nd 7:40 pmclick to expand…Hyperdox Herman's Facebook Wall […]

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