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Comments on: Report: Turkey to reopen Halki Seminary https://www.aoiusa.org/report-turkey-to-reopen-halki-seminary/ A Research and Educational Organization that engages the cultural issues of the day within the Orthodox Christian Tradition Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:48:41 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.3.3 By: George Michalopulos https://www.aoiusa.org/report-turkey-to-reopen-halki-seminary/#comment-4815 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:48:41 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=2662#comment-4815 It’s a shame. All that sturm und drang, and for what? Is Holy Cross that inferior of a school that they’ve had to do a full-court press to open it for almost 40 years now?

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By: Andrew https://www.aoiusa.org/report-turkey-to-reopen-halki-seminary/#comment-4808 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:04:43 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=2662#comment-4808 George,

Your thoughts on this subject have the makings of a very good article. What saddens me is that opening Halki has been a mantra for so long that the EP will basically sacrifice everything to open it.

This has all the signs of a Neville Chamberlain moment for the EP. Appeasement gets you nowhere.

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By: George Michalopulos https://www.aoiusa.org/report-turkey-to-reopen-halki-seminary/#comment-4794 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 01:49:40 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=2662#comment-4794 Andrew, I forgot to mention (actually it just came to me) that the Greek government’s ultimate objection to any sign of good faith by the Turks would be that it would take away their entire rationale for them keeping Turkey out of the EU.

Unfortunately, the bar that we Greeks set for Turkey’s inclusion was very low, so low in fact that all they had to do was basically just reopen Halki. Even as an “autonomous high school.” What a joke.

There is more at stake here than the Greek government giving up their claims over the Muslim minority in Thrace: once Turkey is in the EU, then there will be no bar to Turks buying and selling property in Greece (or anywhere else in Europe for that matter). For many, like France, Germany, as well as Greece, this is a nightmare scenario.

Therefore, I now have more reason to suspect that the Greek government will somehow pressure the EP to not accept the reopening of Halki. On the other hand, if the EP acts as his own man and he tries to wring more concessions out of the Turks –and if he succeeds–then the Greek government’s position will be dire indeed. They then won’t have any reason to prevent Turkey’s accession to the EU.

Gulp.

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By: Andrew https://www.aoiusa.org/report-turkey-to-reopen-halki-seminary/#comment-4770 Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:32:31 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=2662#comment-4770 What kind of Halki would exist if and when it opens? People think you just push a button and Halki turns into the finest institution of Orthodox learning on the planet. This is not realistic

A Halki devoid of freedom which succumbs to a secular approach will do more harm to Orthodoxy then keeping the place closed. You know there is no way that faculty and students at a re-opened Halki will have the freedom to be the Orthodox Christians the world needs.

I would rather have an underground Seminary that an open Halki that appeases the Turkish vision of secularism.

If Greece and the EP play into this trap it will only further the cultural suicide of both institutions.

It is ashame that some leaders will give up so much for political gain.

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By: George Michalopulos https://www.aoiusa.org/report-turkey-to-reopen-halki-seminary/#comment-4764 Mon, 29 Jun 2009 04:05:41 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=2662#comment-4764 I’m afraid that there is less here than meets the eye:

1. if the Greek government doesn’t reciprocate, then this will come to naught. In fact, it’s a brilliant stunt on the Turks’ part in that it will make the Greeks look like bad-faith actors if they don’t open Muslim madrassahs in Greece. If nothing else, it’s putting considerable pressure on Greece, which would have little to gain by acceding but a lot to lose if it does.

2. So the Greeks will try to derail this through some back-channels. The Phanar receives 90% of its funding from the Greek government, this gives the Greeks leverage over the Phanar.

3. Leaving this angle to the side, if you read this carefully, Halki will be integrated into the Turkish university system. It will be a small cog in a large secular wheel. In doing so, it will validate its claim that the EP is not “ecumenical” but the bishop of a small diocese on Turkish soil. Even its seminary is part of the Turkish secondary educational system. Thus the Turkish government will extend its ultimate power over the Phanar which will by then become a completely Turkish institution. The EP would have no choice but to be grateful to the Turks and they will thus suck the Phanar further into the maw of Turkish society.

4. By becoming more wedded to the Turkish state, it further solidifies the historical ties of the EP to Istanbul. Any fantasies of the GOA that the EP would relocate to the “fourth Rome” would be dispelled. And let’s not forget, that this is going to take time even if it does happen. This will further string the EP along on a wild goose chase, thereby diverting his energies in ways that could be more useful elsewhere.

Of course, the Turkish government could pull a fast one and throw everybody for a loop if it gave up its repression of the EP completely. Which of course would really pull the rug out from the Greek government. But with the rise of Islamic consciousness in Turkey, I don’t see that happening. Indeed, any such talk could inflame the fanatics to increase their terrorist activities. If they get really desperate, watch out.

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