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Comments on: Philly.com: A Frayed Connection https://www.aoiusa.org/philly-com-a-frayed-connection/ A Research and Educational Organization that engages the cultural issues of the day within the Orthodox Christian Tradition Mon, 14 Feb 2011 20:43:22 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.3.3 By: Anon https://www.aoiusa.org/philly-com-a-frayed-connection/#comment-18120 Mon, 14 Feb 2011 20:43:22 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=5383#comment-18120 Wish I had seen this when it was originally published – one of our bishop needs to phone up his parish there and put the hammer down: reach out and work together. If there was every a place an Orthodox Church could thrive today, it is in Northern Liberties. This article should be a scandal for the Orthodox, but it has barely been noticed. One “fr John” type could surely create a renaissance. Just one.

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By: George Michalopulos https://www.aoiusa.org/philly-com-a-frayed-connection/#comment-8200 Tue, 12 Jan 2010 05:28:18 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=5383#comment-8200 In reply to Fr. Johannes Jacobse.

yeah, and that’s a sad thing about the WSJ. Watch how they handle immigration: if they keep up with the old “open borders” track then they’ll eventually be indistinguishable from the New York Times and the other Bolshie dailies that are folding daily (pun intended).

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By: cynthia curran https://www.aoiusa.org/philly-com-a-frayed-connection/#comment-8198 Tue, 12 Jan 2010 02:10:17 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=5383#comment-8198 Well, I don’t know the east as well but its hard for the Orthodox in the Southwest to bring in other groups as well. Take California, Arizona and Texas on demograhics. California is very high in the hispanic category around 37 percent and high in the asian population about 13 to 14 percent. And low in the Afro-American population as a percentage only 7 percent. Arizona very high in hispanic population around 28 percent, low asian population around 3 percent and low Afro-American around 3 percent. Texas very high hispanic population around 37 percent and asians around 4 to 5 percent near national average and Afro-Americans near 12 to 13 percent near national average. I know of few churches whether they are Orthodox, Roman Catholic or Protestant that look like Joel Olstein church in Texas that have a good mixture of white, hispanic and Afro-American, and some asians. I not approving of the man’s theology but to have that racial or ethnic background is hard for most churches. Out here in the west one of the selling jobs to Orthodoxy is the Death to the World crowd which is mainly white have a few afro-Americans, Asians or hispanics also coming Orthodoxy that way. I not certain if that approach works in PA.

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By: Peter O'Filon https://www.aoiusa.org/philly-com-a-frayed-connection/#comment-8193 Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:42:51 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=5383#comment-8193 The thing about Northern Liberties is that it used to be Little Eastern Europe in Philadelphia. There are other Orthodox parishes in Center City Phila. …though I don’t have information about their shape, although the ROCOR one has that myrrh-streaming, wonderworking icon of St. Anne. There are also a few parishes within city limits but further out, and supposedly one or two OCFs in University City. In any case, *many* congregations in Center City are now “regional congregations,” from the Quakers to the Episcopalians to the Baptists to the AMEs.

Western Catholic parishes do it differently: traditionally one RC immigrant group makes way for the next, and (territorial**) parishes founded in Irish or German neighborhoods become Italian or Hispanic, and then become Chinese or African-American, in step with the waves of RC (im)migrations. It’s harder for smaller denominations like us to do it that way, especially if real estate stays splintered “parochially” with single, self-isolated ethnicities who keep moving to nicer housing/jobs farther out, and then to the suburbs. All Latin-Rite RC parishes in the 5 counties of SE Penna. are “under” the Cardinal of Phila., no matter their ethnic or geographic provenance. RC migration to the Rust Belt big cities seems to be dwindling now, leading to the closures/mergers of parishes and/or parochial schools you might have heard about in the news, as well as *new* parishes and schools farther out in the ‘Burbs where Catholics didn’t used to live so much.

(**–They still also have “personal parishes,” what we call ethnic, but alot fewer than in their heyday 70-100 years ago. Sometimes a parish will offer multiple Masses on a weekend in different languages, serving different communities that way rather than separate parishes. Of course, Orthodox altars normally can have only one Liturgy on any given day.)

Some non-Orthodox “regional congregations” still try to reach out to the downtown neighbors (“these people”) with evangelizing and/or service. Actually a largely-convert AOA parish way out in Souderton takes a vanload of sandwiches etc. downtown each week … actually brought over from when the catalyst of that particular ministry was a Protestant.

I was disappointed O’Reilly, the Inquirer’s usually adequate religion reporter, didn’t report how generalized the “regional” phenomenon is, as he would’ve if he’d wanted more people to actually read the story. It was nice to see an Orthodox Liturgy in full color, above the fold, front page, on a Sunday morning … but irresponsibly placed under a headline screaming the word “schism” (see http://www.philly.com/philly/news/homepage/80521627.html?viewAll=y. ), the only way many Westerners think of Orthodoxy (nevermind the 35,000 and counting, in the West!). Evolving ‘denominational geography,’ usually nonviolent!, is nothing new in a country that has been dominated by the wanderings of settlers for four centuries … more than three centuries in Philly.

At least, 3 nights later, our No. 1 TV news outfit covered Old Calendar Nativity services at one of these ‘poor, schismatic, dying, closed-off’ churches: WPVI-TV 6 (ABC) visited St. Michael’s Russian Patriarchal (even if it wasn’t “the BIG story tonight on Action News!!”), whose website touts its friendliness, hospitality, and English language(!).

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By: Fr. Johannes Jacobse https://www.aoiusa.org/philly-com-a-frayed-connection/#comment-8192 Mon, 11 Jan 2010 21:33:15 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=5383#comment-8192 Fr. John, I’d change “sane” to “clear thinking” but your point still holds. Orthodoxy does offer clarity, and a clear thinking person will perceive the inherent clarity if it is presented correctly.

You are expressing a deep intuition, IMO. Too often we Orthodox would rather rest in our communal triumphalism (a kind of lethargy actually) and blame others for our failings while comforting ourselves with self-talk about our theological purity. I know people will listen. I’ve experienced it too often to see it any other way. My problem was that some of the parishes I pastored would never have accepted the people who otherwise would have come in. Sad commentary, but also true unfortunately.

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By: Fr. Johannes Jacobse https://www.aoiusa.org/philly-com-a-frayed-connection/#comment-8191 Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:53:16 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=5383#comment-8191 In reply to Christopher.

Ignoring Fr. John’s excellent and correct note below (#10) for the moment (will get to it in a second), yup, I think you are right Christopher.

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By: Fr. John https://www.aoiusa.org/philly-com-a-frayed-connection/#comment-8190 Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:40:10 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=5383#comment-8190 To get back on topic, I really think we Orthodox need to jettison the narrow view of our communal life and put together a vision whose beauty and rightness will be perceptible by a sane person. These churches as languishing because we collectively neglect them. To get back to my story of the downtown Oakland parish whose parishioners don’t value their location, while the parish is right across the street from a station of the US’s best public transit system (SF Bay Area Rapid Transit, AKA BART) – why don’t the leaders (or parishioners) of Bay Area churches institute a BART rider-friendly pattern of visitation like Sunday eves in Lent to circulate some life into such places? Are we just all to tired to dream of a life in common? That thought robs me of much sleep.

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By: Christopher https://www.aoiusa.org/philly-com-a-frayed-connection/#comment-8189 Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:13:02 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=5383#comment-8189 In reply to Fr. Johannes Jacobse.

The WSJ also suffers in that it’s first commitment is to big business interests, who in turn follow the trends closely because it’s good for business. With the ever increasing size of government (last year it grew past 40% of GDP) the business interests are increasingly tied to government (which is left in politics/culture). Look for the WSJ editorial page to decline in relevance in the coming years.

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By: Fr. Johannes Jacobse https://www.aoiusa.org/philly-com-a-frayed-connection/#comment-8188 Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:55:31 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=5383#comment-8188 In reply to George Michalopulos.

When Noonan is on, she is really on but she is also afflicted with the WSJ attitude of playing it safe that hampers any cutting edge stuff until the larger media culture is forced to deal with critiques they would rather dismiss (tea parties for example). The WSJ has one of the best editorial pages in the country, but its value is always delayed until other periodicals (mostly political/cultural journals) first beat back mainstream recalcitrance. Put another way, they still take a lot of their cues from the old-media establishment.

Brooks will always move in ways that ensure his dinner party invitations don’t get canceled. If the country goes more conservative, so will he. If it appears the cultural conservatives have been trounced (which happens when conservativism and Republican Party politics are viewed as one and the same), Brooks goes wobbly.

The same is true of Powell, although what drives him was being point man at the UN for Bush’s argument that war was necessary because Iraq had nukes. He is trying to live this down.

Buckley suffers from the affliction of wanting to be liked, which, truth be told, also bothered his dad to a certain degree. It is one reason why the new breed at NR, while good writers and often right in their ideas, still can’t shake off that air of prep-school privilege.

GOA bishops? I don’t think they understand American culture and rely on others to explain it to them — if they even have any interest in it at all. When they do, they seem to be getting bad advice. Looking back on some of the EP’s statements, it appears that the advisers don’t see any deeper into cultural dynamics than, say, Time, Newsweek, or the NYT.

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By: cynthia curran https://www.aoiusa.org/philly-com-a-frayed-connection/#comment-8183 Sat, 09 Jan 2010 23:48:20 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=5383#comment-8183 Well, I would not put down suburbs. actually, some suburban counties like Orange and San Diego and Phoneix are more diverse than the other traditional inner city countries back east. Orange is 30 percent foreign born, San Diego around 25 percent foreign born and Phoneix around 18 percent foreign born. Granted, illegal immirgation played a role this but a city like Anaheim has a little Gaza area.

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By: George Michalopulos https://www.aoiusa.org/philly-com-a-frayed-connection/#comment-8182 Sat, 09 Jan 2010 23:32:42 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=5383#comment-8182 Well put, Fr. The whole drift to the Left for many was opportunistic. With Bush’s unpopularity (which I believe will be revised upwards in due time) moral poseurs thought the Left was in the ascendant for generations to come. That’s why idiots such as Christopher Buckley (another “conservative” who did a hatchet-job on his parents), David Brooks, Colin Powell, and Peggy Noonan decided to pull the lever for Obama. Now that the Obama express is derailing big time, I’m curious to see which way they[re going to go.

Of course the major embarrassment for Orthodox Christians is not Frank who with his fervor can be excused as being sincere, but boot-licking GOA bishops who dilute their Christian witness when they grovel before the best and the brightest.

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By: Fr. Johannes Jacobse https://www.aoiusa.org/philly-com-a-frayed-connection/#comment-8180 Sat, 09 Jan 2010 23:03:48 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=5383#comment-8180 In reply to Andrew.

The only TV time he gets is Rachel Maddow and hardly anyone watches her. It’s basically preaching to the choir over at MSNBC. (I watch it occasionally and its the same thing over and over. No really analysis but a lot of moral posturing.)

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By: Fr. Johannes Jacobse https://www.aoiusa.org/philly-com-a-frayed-connection/#comment-8179 Sat, 09 Jan 2010 22:58:05 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=5383#comment-8179 In reply to cynthia curran.

Schaeffer isn’t a pacifist. I think the error he made was that with the Bush collapse he assumed the left was the place to go. I actually am sympathetic to some of his claims against the Republicans, but the notion that the left is sympathetic to any moral critique grounded in religion is just naive. And is was clear early on, to some of anyway, that Obama is captive to the ideas of the Far Left, despite running as a Left Centrist.

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By: cynthia curran https://www.aoiusa.org/philly-com-a-frayed-connection/#comment-8178 Sat, 09 Jan 2010 22:30:18 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=5383#comment-8178 Well, according to Frank Schaeffer, he became a father as a teenager and was pretty sexually active before married. This explains why he wants to give 12 year olds birth control. Orthodox Churches allow him during his first 10 years as Orthodox to have a plaform since his father was the famous protestant writer Francis Schaeffer and left protestantism for Orthodoxy. His politics really changed after his son served several tours of duty, and Orthdoxy does have a pacifist wing. So, Mr Schaeffer graviated toward it.

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By: Andrew https://www.aoiusa.org/philly-com-a-frayed-connection/#comment-8177 Sat, 09 Jan 2010 20:19:43 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=5383#comment-8177 In reply to Fr. Johannes Jacobse.

Frank said on national TV that the greatest miracle of his life is the election of Barack Obama. He is not going to abandon ship and reinvent himself again until the Obama express gives him no choice. The left is giving him way too much TV time and buying his books.

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