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Comments on: Patriarch Bartholomew on World Environment Day https://www.aoiusa.org/patriarch-bartholomew-on-world-environment-day/ A Research and Educational Organization that engages the cultural issues of the day within the Orthodox Christian Tradition Sat, 13 Jun 2009 02:07:09 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.3.3 By: George Michalopulos https://www.aoiusa.org/patriarch-bartholomew-on-world-environment-day/#comment-4498 Sat, 13 Jun 2009 02:07:09 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=2437#comment-4498 That’s where the GOA HQ is located.

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By: Robert https://www.aoiusa.org/patriarch-bartholomew-on-world-environment-day/#comment-4492 Fri, 12 Jun 2009 18:22:57 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=2437#comment-4492 Clue me in, to whom or what is this “the 79th Street” referring?

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By: Chrys https://www.aoiusa.org/patriarch-bartholomew-on-world-environment-day/#comment-4481 Thu, 11 Jun 2009 22:33:29 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=2437#comment-4481 “all the whining-and-dining of political leaders”
Fixed.

Joking aside, the perception of Orthodoxy among those who have little experience of it (i.e., almost the entire U.S. population) is exactly as George says: an ethnic ghetto rather than the living embodiment (is there any other kind?) of the Church of the Fathers. It was precisely this assumption that almost led me to dismiss serious consideration of the Orthodox faith when I was first encountered it. It was only after years of extensive, intensive and often exhausting study and conversation (in which the aforementioned Fr. Jensen was incredibly important – as well as unfailingly patient) that everything “came together.” Before that, the faith I had known in both Catholic and Protestant expressions often seemed so compartmentalized and fragmented; Christology, ecclesiology, soteriology, or any other -ology, did not seem integrally connected (except as the cleverness of the theologian or preacher could “make” connections); worse, faith and practice seemed to be completely “uncorrelated;” as a result, the western traditions I knew or studied seemed to have no clear notion as to how saints were formed. Reading Dorotheos and the Desert Fathers back then was both inspiring and shocking: inspiring because their dedication was so clearly evident; shocking because their assumptions and practices were so very foreign to my understanding.

As the light “turned on” it became clear that not only did I have the wrong “answers,” I was asking the wrong questions. Suddenly (or so it seemed), the Orthodox faith was an incredibly beautiful, seamless garment: one could touch on Christology and immediately see its meaning for soteriology or ecclesiology . . . or any one of a number of other facets of the faith. Far more important, concept and practice were united in a clear process of formation: asceticism, prayer, service and communion were integral to the process of theosis. All of this was – and continues to be – awe-inspiring to me and life-changing. (I am currently re-reading Dorotheos and the Desert Fathers today, and find that now – having been Orthodox for nearly a dozen and a half years, their teaching makes perfect sense. What a wonderful change.)

Yet at the time I arrived at a deep conviction of the truth of the Orthodox Faith and saw clearly the seamless beauty of the faith – I still resisted attending an actual church because the consensus seemed be that it was primarily an ethnic enclave. Recognizing eventually you must act on the truth to grow in the truth — and that you can not live the Orthodox faith apart from the church — my wife and I finally went to an Orthodox Church. I can still vividly remember walking up to the church doors convinced that we would not be welcomed but that – since this was the Truth and the Church of the Saints, we were going to go anyway.

We were incredibly blessed to find a wonderful community (Greek in this case) that could not have been more accepting and loving; it exceeded my highest (if barely held) hopes. How many people, I wonder, suffer the loss of this incredible treasure because they believe it is primarily an ethnic club? While it is grossly unfair to be held accountable for someone else’s assumptions, the jurisdictions in America haven’t often provided the “data” needed to contradict this widely-held assumption. (I am not convinced that food fairs contradict this assumption; in my experience, they more often reinforce it. However, since tithing is not widely practiced, such events are vital to the financial well-being of many – most? – parishes.) It seems to me that, had the Orthodox leadership given absolute priority to the faith and tradition, it would have been rather difficult to hide this glorious light under ANY ethnic bushel basket. Ironically, had they done so, the size of the Church in America would be much larger – and, consequently, would exercise much greater influence — influence that Constantinople now so dearly needs.

When Martha appealed to Jesus for Mary’s help, He responded that Mary had made the right choice — and that it would not be taken from her. Communion with God is the vital thing to choose; it is the one thing that will not be taken from us. Yet there is an important, though unstated corollary: the other choices presumably WOULD be taken from us. And not just us; when we chose to focus on something other than a living faith, it is not just we who suffer, but all those whom we could have blessed thereafter. At moments of great urgency, I am sure that it is easy to forget this. I just hope our leaders are more disciplined and focused in their attentions.

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By: George Michalopulos https://www.aoiusa.org/patriarch-bartholomew-on-world-environment-day/#comment-4479 Thu, 11 Jun 2009 21:01:58 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=2437#comment-4479 Shame, damn shame. Watch for the 79th St Crowd to lavish yet more empty awards on the political and cultural elites. It’s either masochism or insanity, I haven’t quite figured out which.

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By: Andrew https://www.aoiusa.org/patriarch-bartholomew-on-world-environment-day/#comment-4478 Thu, 11 Jun 2009 19:11:25 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=2437#comment-4478 Speaking of Victor Davis Hanson I found the following article on National Review Online today…..

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=OGE1NGY2Y2I1MTExOTlkN2JjMzc0NTQ5YzUzZjYxNmQ=

Here is the money quote in my eyes:

Obama also claimed that “Islam . . . carried the light of learning through so many centuries, paving the way for Europe’s Renaissance and Enlightenment.” While medieval Islamic culture was impressive and ensured the survival of a few classical texts — often through the agency of Arabic-speaking Christians — it had little to do with the European rediscovery of classical Greek and Latin values. Europeans, Chinese, and Hindus, not Muslims, invented most of the breakthroughs Obama credited to Islamic innovation.

Much of the Renaissance, in fact, was more predicated on the centuries-long flight of Greek-speaking Byzantine scholars from Constantinople to Western Europe to escape the aggression of Islamic Turks. Many romantic thinkers of the Enlightenment sought to extend freedom to oppressed subjects of Muslim fundamentalist rule in eastern and southern Europe.

George, I think you are correct about the GOA and the Greek Lobby being a failure just like Omogenia before Orthodoxy is a failure. Its clearly apparent in Obama’s speech. I wonder how 79th Street feels about “Islam carrying the light of learning.”

One thing is also for certain. Given the inability of the leaders of the GOA to articulate any vision of Orthodox Culture, it is apparent then are going to ride the Obamakis express all the way off the cliff.

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By: George Michalopulos https://www.aoiusa.org/patriarch-bartholomew-on-world-environment-day/#comment-4475 Wed, 10 Jun 2009 18:42:18 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=2437#comment-4475 Andrew, very perceptive.

Broken record alert: I just can’t help shake the feeling that all the money raised over the years, all the wining-and-dining of political leaders, all those photo-ops, haven’t gone to waste. I mean it’s all been for nothing.

My proof is the speech that President Obama gave in Cairo. We are now led to believe that the Renaissance and Enlightenment came from the Arab world. Where is the legacy of Byzantium? The true Hellenism which was baptized by Christianity (instead of the my-big-fat-greekism of the homogeneia crowd)?

We have nobody but ourselves to blame. Fr Jensen is correct: we’ve been content to be a minority grievance group here in America, carefully playing the ethnic triumphalist card, agreeing with the secular elitists who are country-blubbres in their heart of hearts, but playing the victim card when called for. Instead of holding up our faith for what it is –Christianity–we have painted ourselves into the corner known as ethnic ghettoism. That’s why nobody takes us seriously.

How different would it have been had we evangelized? If millions of “Anglo”-Americans had been brought into the Holy Orthodox Church? Instead, we welcomed only the few thousand philhellenes (and then grudgingly). It’s so ironic, had we baptized this country, there would be millions of philhellenes in America. And the people of Greece would recognize it and love us instead of hate us.

I used to blame our bishops and they do bear a tremendous share of the blame, but in the final analysis, they are no more to blame than the xenophobes who really run the GOA.

p.s. If you would like to read a great analysis of Western civilization and its dependence upon Classical civilization and Christianty, go to Victor Davis Hanson.

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By: Andrew https://www.aoiusa.org/patriarch-bartholomew-on-world-environment-day/#comment-4473 Wed, 10 Jun 2009 17:52:36 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=2437#comment-4473 George,

Have you not learned anything from 79th Street?

Its not a boondoggle. The visit of the EP is a economic stimulus for the omogenia. It helps “save” the jobs of the highly paid bureaucrats and professional meeting participants at the Archdiocese. People need something to do you know. What would happen after all if all these brilliant leaders had no place to “work” and had to go back to parish life and minister to the common folk.

It would be chaos.

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By: George Michalopulos https://www.aoiusa.org/patriarch-bartholomew-on-world-environment-day/#comment-4467 Tue, 09 Jun 2009 23:24:58 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=2437#comment-4467 I wonder how much the Akorns of St Andrew are shelling out for this boondoggle? More money well-spent.

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By: Andrew https://www.aoiusa.org/patriarch-bartholomew-on-world-environment-day/#comment-4465 Tue, 09 Jun 2009 22:44:17 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=2437#comment-4465 Here you go George:

http://www.ekklesia.co.uk/node/9242

This EP visit is going to be a wild one for sure. The EP could have a discount book signing of Encountering the Mystery. There are bound to be extra copies at the publisher as sales have been (how do you say Dismal in Greek?)

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By: George Michalopulos https://www.aoiusa.org/patriarch-bartholomew-on-world-environment-day/#comment-4464 Tue, 09 Jun 2009 20:28:25 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=2437#comment-4464 Andrew, you’re kidding right? He’s actually going to pull a stunt like that? As if we’re already not being taken seriously as it is, now this? Maybe his toadies can join him for an a capella Byzantine chant edition of “Ole Man River.”

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By: Andrew https://www.aoiusa.org/patriarch-bartholomew-on-world-environment-day/#comment-4463 Tue, 09 Jun 2009 17:03:17 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=2437#comment-4463 You think this is bad now… just wait until the October 2009 visit of His All Holiness and his environmental cruise down the Mississippi River. Its going to be the equivalent of the “Love Boat” for religious leftists and the blame America crowd.

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By: Fr. Johannes Jacobse https://www.aoiusa.org/patriarch-bartholomew-on-world-environment-day/#comment-4462 Tue, 09 Jun 2009 16:27:43 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=2437#comment-4462 For all their adoration of Rome, they ought to pay closer attention to Rome’s reticence towards any appearance of support of social engineering schemes.

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By: Michael Bauman https://www.aoiusa.org/patriarch-bartholomew-on-world-environment-day/#comment-4459 Tue, 09 Jun 2009 04:47:47 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=2437#comment-4459 The ghost writer is likely John Chryssavgis.

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By: Andrew https://www.aoiusa.org/patriarch-bartholomew-on-world-environment-day/#comment-4446 Mon, 08 Jun 2009 14:44:49 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=2437#comment-4446 Please excuse my last comment as my software crashed while I was writing it.

Here it is in its entirety:

These statements do make one weary but here are some thoughts to consider

1) The over-emphasis on the problem is climate change is a de-emphasis on the Gospel. Climate change, global warming etc is not even a scientifically settled issue. There are many gifted scientists who disavow what His All Holiness is hysterical about.

2) Its hard to take the Patriarch’s environmentalism seriously when he has a yacht. That is a pretty large carbon footprint if you ask me.

3) Remember the EP called Fidel Castro an environmentalist while neglecting to visit prisoners of conscience in Cuba during his visit. That the EP considers one of the great butchers of the 20th century an environmental hero is scary to say the least.

Wesley Smith is correct the whole vision of the “Green Patriarch” is a form of fashionable fundamentalism. The world does not need a Green Patriarch or a Patriarch who wins the Nobel Peace Prize. The world need the successor of St. Andrew the Apostle preaching the truth of the Gospel.

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By: Wesley J. Smith https://www.aoiusa.org/patriarch-bartholomew-on-world-environment-day/#comment-4443 Mon, 08 Jun 2009 05:51:02 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=2437#comment-4443 Hysteria about climate change is a form of fundamentalism, as I see it, and hence does not seem a wise approach from a Patriarch. Besides, the greatest threat “the planet” faces is unquestionably nuclear conflagration, the risks of which are again on the rise. That could really destroy life as we know it.

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