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Comments on: Our Freedom Never Fully Realized https://www.aoiusa.org/our-freedom-never-fully-realized/ A Research and Educational Organization that engages the cultural issues of the day within the Orthodox Christian Tradition Wed, 01 Jul 2009 01:09:12 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.3.3 By: George Michalopulos https://www.aoiusa.org/our-freedom-never-fully-realized/#comment-4821 Wed, 01 Jul 2009 01:09:12 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=2453#comment-4821 Harry, according to the canons, a married man can be elected bishop. The proviso is that his wife take up holy orders as well. I think this would be an excellent way for a devoted couple who wish to serve the church to express their love for it. Is it a sacrifice? Sure, so is marriage. In my view, a devoted couple, who are in their fifties, and who have led exemplary lives of devotion to each other (itself a sterling Christian witness) should be looked upon as the husband being elibible for episcopal office. Anyway, my opinion. That and 50 cents will by you a cup of coffee.

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By: Harry Coin https://www.aoiusa.org/our-freedom-never-fully-realized/#comment-4820 Wed, 01 Jul 2009 00:40:36 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=2453#comment-4820 I was a parishioner in is northern CA parish, it was beyond obvious to so many that he should have been a bishop.

We are robbed of that kind of vision in leadership for only one reason: those who were ordained young and never married observed he could not be promoted as his wife neglected to die before he was too close to retirement.

Here in this thread we discuss a culture of fear among the clergy. Also we see here amazing clergy who by all honest measures would be an amazing bishop and would have been had his wife not neglected to die long enough before he retired.

Are we getting the drift yet that our problem is that we are poorly served by our ‘only never married bishops’ rule?

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By: George Michalopulos https://www.aoiusa.org/our-freedom-never-fully-realized/#comment-4454 Mon, 08 Jun 2009 21:34:03 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=2453#comment-4454 Andrew, I rather doubt it. Excellent point though. I know a great deal of GOA clergy and the majority were/are stand-up guys. The climate of fear can’t be underestimated. Same thing in the AOCA.

Usually a breaking point happens when the dam bursts. In the AOCA the credibility of Philip is pretty much shot. I expect that it won’t be too long for the same thing to happen to the GOA.

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By: Andrew https://www.aoiusa.org/our-freedom-never-fully-realized/#comment-4453 Mon, 08 Jun 2009 19:49:27 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=2453#comment-4453 George,

You make an interesting point. The quality of character and thinking among GOA clergy has clearly declined since the time of Fr. Contos. Of course there are great GOA clergy but they are the exception and not the norm.

One wonders if clergy in positions of responsibility are free to express their opinions at all?

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By: George Michalopulos https://www.aoiusa.org/our-freedom-never-fully-realized/#comment-4451 Mon, 08 Jun 2009 19:34:42 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=2453#comment-4451 I wish I could have known this man. It is sad to see how far the GOA has fallen from the heights his erudition and spirituality represented. I wonder if we’ll see his likes again.

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By: Andrew https://www.aoiusa.org/our-freedom-never-fully-realized/#comment-4450 Mon, 08 Jun 2009 19:34:02 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=2453#comment-4450 John,

This post is a gem! The more Orthodox Christians continue to point out the internal hypocrisy that infects the EP and the GOA by referencing the wise voices of the past the better.

American Orthodoxy is a constant but noble struggle. We must row upstream against the fundamentalism of the omogenia before Orthodoxy crowd.

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