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Comments on: Orthodox Christian Responsibility in the Public Arena https://www.aoiusa.org/orthodox-christian-responsibility-in-the-public-arena/ A Research and Educational Organization that engages the cultural issues of the day within the Orthodox Christian Tradition Thu, 11 Nov 2010 14:26:22 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.3.3 By: alexis banias https://www.aoiusa.org/orthodox-christian-responsibility-in-the-public-arena/#comment-14943 Thu, 11 Nov 2010 14:26:22 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=8287#comment-14943 In reply to Fr. Johannes Jacobse.

Thank you for the recommendation.

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By: Fr. Johannes Jacobse https://www.aoiusa.org/orthodox-christian-responsibility-in-the-public-arena/#comment-14932 Thu, 11 Nov 2010 00:57:21 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=8287#comment-14932

Alexis, yes and no. Put another way: Lahaye needs to read Aristotle.

While it is true that politics reveals “private views held in the public domain,” it is not true that politics is “nothing more” than that. Politics also shapes those views; it works in both directions.

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By: alexis banias https://www.aoiusa.org/orthodox-christian-responsibility-in-the-public-arena/#comment-14926 Wed, 10 Nov 2010 23:09:54 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=8287#comment-14926 In the book, “Mind Siege,” by Tim Lahaye, the author states that “politics is nothing more than private views held in the public domain.” Orthodox lifestyle is not something that is done solely on Sunday, but it is the focus and crux of our lives on a daily basis. As the sun is the center of the universe in which the planets revolve around and receive light and warmth, so is The Son in each person’s life. And the hierarchy have a duty to excommunicate those in public office who do not adhere to the basic tenets of Christianity, those mainly being Life, Traditional Marriage, etc. Politics and the Ancient Faith are not two separate entitites nor are they mutually exclusive facets of our lives but are complements, like two pieces of a puzzle that fit perfectly together which create the synergy that drives us toward Theosis.

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By: Michael Bauman https://www.aoiusa.org/orthodox-christian-responsibility-in-the-public-arena/#comment-14878 Sun, 07 Nov 2010 21:58:02 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=8287#comment-14878 I find it sad that Fr. John’s sermon is deemed exceptional, necessary and worthy of praise rather than just an ordinary homily that is greeted with normal expectation. What does it say about the level of depravity, prevarication and yes, heresy that passes for ‘Christian’ leadership in the Church and elsewhere in the Christian world?

Isn’t he just doing his job?

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By: Peter and Helen Evans https://www.aoiusa.org/orthodox-christian-responsibility-in-the-public-arena/#comment-14867 Sun, 07 Nov 2010 03:11:21 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=8287#comment-14867 Bravo, Father John! Your piece breathes life into the notion that “politics is applied theology.”

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By: Eliot Ryan https://www.aoiusa.org/orthodox-christian-responsibility-in-the-public-arena/#comment-14852 Fri, 05 Nov 2010 15:22:50 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=8287#comment-14852 In reply to Fr. Johannes Jacobse.

Father, I believe that it was providential that he met you. I hope he will listen to you. Certainly now he has ears to hear all those things that he wouldn’t have heard before even if told a thousand times. I hope you can direct him to somebody who can take care that he won’t travel again down the dead-end roads. People tend to resort to prayer after they looked for answers to their problems in all the wrong places. Only then are they willing to open their ears to the Church and finally benefit from all Her spiritual riches.

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By: Chris https://www.aoiusa.org/orthodox-christian-responsibility-in-the-public-arena/#comment-14851 Fri, 05 Nov 2010 14:47:03 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=8287#comment-14851 In reply to George Michalopulos.

Father Justin Federick actually wrote a pretty nice piece on his blog on this topic.

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By: Chrys https://www.aoiusa.org/orthodox-christian-responsibility-in-the-public-arena/#comment-14850 Fri, 05 Nov 2010 14:14:14 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=8287#comment-14850 In reply to George Michalopulos.

It is – and was always – a canard. The law, by definition, proscribes certain behaviors. What is particularly galling is the degree to which the Left has abandoned any pretense to that position (except when it comes to abortion); it has been trying to legislate a incredibly wide range of behavior – including those grave threats to civilization: incandescent light bulbs, toilets that actually work (if it takes three flushes to accomplish what one once did, does it really save water?), and now high volume shower heads. Clearly, these require legislative action. God forbid we let the market address these issues. Isn’t it ironic that we can’t be allowed to choose a light bulb, toilet or potentially (if passed) a shower head, but we “must” protect by all possible means the “right” to choose to terminate a life? (O.k., I’ll turn the sarcasm “off” now.)
The romance with government coercion rather than moral suasion is beyond me – yet too much in the political sphere seems unsatisfied withe the latter and focused on the former. (Of course, demanding things is what entitled folks do.) Spot on, George.

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By: George Michalopulos https://www.aoiusa.org/orthodox-christian-responsibility-in-the-public-arena/#comment-14848 Fri, 05 Nov 2010 12:40:02 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=8287#comment-14848 One of the great canards to come out of the 60s was the cliche that “you can’t legislate morality.” Actually, that’s what all law is, the legislation of morality.

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By: Fr. Johannes Jacobse https://www.aoiusa.org/orthodox-christian-responsibility-in-the-public-arena/#comment-14842 Thu, 04 Nov 2010 22:40:07 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=8287#comment-14842 Sounds reasonable to me. I could support this.

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By: Chris https://www.aoiusa.org/orthodox-christian-responsibility-in-the-public-arena/#comment-14841 Thu, 04 Nov 2010 21:00:56 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=8287#comment-14841 Question: How would you all respond to a potential Presidential Candidate and former New Mexico Government Gary Johnson who has stated that he is “personally pro-choice” but if elected into office he would work to repeal Roe Vs Wade and make it a State issue.

Also, while in office this pro-choice Governor received the endorsement of the Right to Life Committee for his work in reducing abortions through parental consent, informed consent, banning partial-birth abortion, and ending Medicaid funding for abortions. As Governor, he supported every piece of legislation offered by the Right To Life Committee.

For him, it seems that the conviction against abortion isn’ so much faith value but that it’s not something the “state” should be undertaking.

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By: Chris https://www.aoiusa.org/orthodox-christian-responsibility-in-the-public-arena/#comment-14840 Thu, 04 Nov 2010 20:20:53 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=8287#comment-14840 In reply to Chrys.

I’ll be the first to admit I need correction. Keep it coming 🙂

Dibs on the “Break the Equivocation” T-shirts!

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By: Chrys https://www.aoiusa.org/orthodox-christian-responsibility-in-the-public-arena/#comment-14839 Thu, 04 Nov 2010 19:29:53 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=8287#comment-14839 In reply to Harry Coin.

Very important point, Harry. One the one hand, you can’t “impose morality” – only compliance with a particular behavior. One the hand – and far, far more important – our goal is the healing and transformation of the person. This prohibits “imposing” anything. Communion (the ultimate goal) is always and only an act of love, requiring the free and full offering of the self. So, when we see groups “demanding” or imposing a particular behavior, we can immediately know that they are after compliance, not communion. It may lead to many beneficial things, but not salvation.

Of course, you are also right, that Father almost certainly meant that he is calling people to a clear, unequivocal – and narrow – path, which is also necessary for transformation and salvation.

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By: Chrys https://www.aoiusa.org/orthodox-christian-responsibility-in-the-public-arena/#comment-14838 Thu, 04 Nov 2010 19:23:55 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=8287#comment-14838 In reply to Chris.

Corrected 😉
The government imposing morality and equivocation, bad. A pastor teaching and imposing the morality of the Church, good. An Orthodox Priest writing about it and breaking the equivocation, priceless!

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By: Fr. Johannes Jacobse https://www.aoiusa.org/orthodox-christian-responsibility-in-the-public-arena/#comment-14835 Thu, 04 Nov 2010 17:17:59 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=8287#comment-14835 I’m at Starbucks again and just spent a half-hour talking with a 33 year old guy coming out of a decade of drug-induced egocentrism (his words, not mine). Sobriety is returning, and a big part the increasing sobriety is his growing awareness that the calling he is discerning deep inside himself is really God calling him.

Here’s the problem. There is almost two decades of teen-age rebellion hardened into deep habits of thought that war against that realization. This might take a while. Still, God is patient and sooner or later this man might end up serving the God now calling him.

Here’s the good part (it’s all good but this is the really good part): I told him God was calling him, and when he is ready he has to check out the Orthodox Church. Turns out his uncle started going to the Greek Orthodox Church in Milwaukee, and even though a lot of the service is in Greek and he doesn’t understand it, he goes because “it’s serious stuff.”

I said maybe he has to get knocked off his horse like St. Paul was. He told me he has already been knocked of his horse. So I said, well, check out the Orthodox Church here then. It’s Fr. Peck’s parish. I’m not sure if the man is ready for this yet, but I do know that if he takes my advice and attends, he’s not going to hear any equivocation from the priest he meets there.

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