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Comments on: Orthodox Bishops Speak Out Against HHH Mandate https://www.aoiusa.org/orthodox-bishops-speak-out-against-hhh-mandate/ A Research and Educational Organization that engages the cultural issues of the day within the Orthodox Christian Tradition Mon, 26 Mar 2012 15:38:45 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.3.3 By: Fr. Hans Jacobse https://www.aoiusa.org/orthodox-bishops-speak-out-against-hhh-mandate/#comment-23659 Mon, 26 Mar 2012 15:38:45 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=11434#comment-23659 In reply to Olivia De Bears.

Not his existence Olivia, his crimes. Arguing that the convictions were unjust and part of a greater service to God is a particularly heinous lie because it draws in the vulnerable, the people most often victimized by sexual abusers.

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By: Olivia De Bears https://www.aoiusa.org/orthodox-bishops-speak-out-against-hhh-mandate/#comment-23656 Mon, 26 Mar 2012 13:51:09 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=11434#comment-23656 In reply to Ronda Wintheiser.

If your read his very confusing website you’ll find statements saying that sexual misconduct on the part of the clergy will not be tolerated yet the statements go on to comment about false accusations and and the Seal of the Confessional. Is he, in a round about way, saying that the accusations against him and the subsequent convictions are false and that to properly defend himself it would have been necessary to reveal things told to him by a penitent during confession and that he is a “fool for Christ” (a term he often uses to describe himself)? Perhaps in his strange world of “ecclesio-psychos” this sort of logic justifies his existence.

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By: Fr. Johannes Jacobse https://www.aoiusa.org/orthodox-bishops-speak-out-against-hhh-mandate/#comment-23655 Mon, 26 Mar 2012 13:49:40 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=11434#comment-23655 In reply to Olivia De Bears.

Thank you Olivia.

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By: Fr. Johannes Jacobse https://www.aoiusa.org/orthodox-bishops-speak-out-against-hhh-mandate/#comment-23654 Mon, 26 Mar 2012 13:44:09 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=11434#comment-23654 In reply to Ronda Wintheiser.

Pete brings up a good point, Rhonda. With the jurisdictional divisions in America, men can claim to be legitimate clergy without much threat of being discovered. The Assembly of Bishops will be able to provide the means to separate the wheat from the chaff. (Frankly, if it wasn’t for POKROV, many of us would not know who they were.)

Repentance can be real of course. But men with these problems should not serve in any ordained capacity or have any responsibility. How to handle this? An association with a healthy monastery rather than a parish would probably be best.

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By: Pete https://www.aoiusa.org/orthodox-bishops-speak-out-against-hhh-mandate/#comment-23653 Mon, 26 Mar 2012 13:32:19 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=11434#comment-23653 In reply to Ronda Wintheiser.

That’s a loaded question. Firstly, it seems he was never a part of any canonical Orthodox jurisdiction to begin with, so we have no need to or control over defrocking him. The Assembly of Bishops does have one purpose, however, in letting America know who the “real Orthodox” are in this country–the real bishops, parishes, priests, &c. For someone outside the Church who is trying to act as an Orthodox bishop, such would be sufficient in most cases. So there isn’t exactly a formal public statement against someone like Met. Arch. Joeseph Thaddeus per se.

Does the Church allow people to excommunicate themselves? Sure, those in communion can personally decide to not go to receive the Eucharist on their own (whether or not this is a good idea is a different story). If you mean, can someone kick themselves out of the Church? I’m sure they would use different words to describe their personal choice to exit, but yes, that happens.

As for repentence, there’s always a chance to be brought into or back into the flock, right up to our death. It could look like a baptism (water or blood), a chrismation (a first or second, &c.), a profession of faith, or some other means. Or at least, that’s what I think would be the case.

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By: Ronda Wintheiser https://www.aoiusa.org/orthodox-bishops-speak-out-against-hhh-mandate/#comment-23652 Mon, 26 Mar 2012 13:27:56 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=11434#comment-23652 In reply to Metropolitan Archbishop Joseph Thaddeus (Stanford).

Now the comment the fake archbishop made makes sense.

It seemed… out of order… out of the blue; almost a literal non sequitur?: “…an abrupt, illogical, unexpected or absurd turn of plot or dialogue not normally associated with or appropriate to that preceding it…

“A non sequitur joke has no explanation, but it reflects the idiosyncrasies, mental frames and alternative world of the particular comic persona….”

🙂

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…except that it’s not funny.

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By: Ronda Wintheiser https://www.aoiusa.org/orthodox-bishops-speak-out-against-hhh-mandate/#comment-23651 Mon, 26 Mar 2012 13:22:21 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=11434#comment-23651 In reply to Pete.

Thank you…

I guess my question is… does someone like this experience something from the Church — has he been defrocked by anyone? Is that the right word? Is there a formal, public statement of some kind, or does the Church just allow people to excommunicate themSELVES, if you will?

And what would happen should this man truly repent? What would that look like?

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By: Pete https://www.aoiusa.org/orthodox-bishops-speak-out-against-hhh-mandate/#comment-23650 Mon, 26 Mar 2012 13:18:43 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=11434#comment-23650 In reply to Fr. Johannes Jacobse.

A bit off topic, but I just wanted to note that when you wrote “kalimafi”, I felt as though it had been misspelled. Turns out that καλυμαύχι and καμιλαύκιον are both words for the same thing. Something learned everyday.

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By: Olivia De Bears https://www.aoiusa.org/orthodox-bishops-speak-out-against-hhh-mandate/#comment-23649 Mon, 26 Mar 2012 12:47:16 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=11434#comment-23649 In reply to Fr. Johannes Jacobse.

Father Johannes,
Here is a link to a website for his “church” (American Orthodox Church). In the list detailing his “Apostolic Succession” you find the names Michael Itkin and George Hyde, two notorious homosexual activists of the 1960’s posing as Orthodox bishops, http://www.apostle1.org/index.html.

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By: Fr. Johannes Jacobse https://www.aoiusa.org/orthodox-bishops-speak-out-against-hhh-mandate/#comment-23647 Mon, 26 Mar 2012 11:21:22 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=11434#comment-23647 In reply to Ronda Wintheiser.

These guys do their time, buy a kalimafi somewhere, and then go on pretending they are this or that bishop of some organization they made up.

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By: Pete https://www.aoiusa.org/orthodox-bishops-speak-out-against-hhh-mandate/#comment-23646 Mon, 26 Mar 2012 11:01:04 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=11434#comment-23646 In reply to Ronda Wintheiser.

As you can probably tell from his comment, Ronda, he is not an Archbishop of any canonical jurisdiction. Click the link on his name and I’m sure you’ll find plenty of information about the group of which he is “Metropolitan Archbishop”, to be precise.

The canonical bichops that are a part of the Assembly here are found at this page:

http://www.assemblyofbishops.org/directories/bishops

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By: Ronda Wintheiser https://www.aoiusa.org/orthodox-bishops-speak-out-against-hhh-mandate/#comment-23645 Mon, 26 Mar 2012 03:34:53 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=11434#comment-23645 In reply to Fr. Johannes Jacobse.

So… ignoramus that I am… I have to ask: Is this man — Joseph Thaddeus Stanford — still an Archbishop?

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By: Fr. Johannes Jacobse https://www.aoiusa.org/orthodox-bishops-speak-out-against-hhh-mandate/#comment-23638 Mon, 26 Mar 2012 00:58:22 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=11434#comment-23638 In reply to Olivia De Bears.

Olivia, thank you for bring this to our attention.

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By: Olivia De Bears https://www.aoiusa.org/orthodox-bishops-speak-out-against-hhh-mandate/#comment-23634 Sun, 25 Mar 2012 21:16:45 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=11434#comment-23634 In reply to Metropolitan Archbishop Joseph Thaddeus (Stanford).

Joseph Thaddeus Stanford is a registered homosexual sex offender, beware,http://www.pokrov.org/display.asp?ds=Convicted&id=41.

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By: Michael Bauman https://www.aoiusa.org/orthodox-bishops-speak-out-against-hhh-mandate/#comment-23253 Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:11:58 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=11434#comment-23253 In reply to Tyler Hudson.

Here is a web reference to the incident however: http://michael-streich.suite101.com/woodrow-wilson-and-the-19th-amendment-a192861

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