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Comments on: Obama Court Case Could Force Christian Schools, Churches to Employ HIV-Positive, Transgender Teacher https://www.aoiusa.org/obama-court-case-could-force-christian-schools-churches-to-employ-hiv-positive-transgender-teacher/ A Research and Educational Organization that engages the cultural issues of the day within the Orthodox Christian Tradition Fri, 25 Jul 2014 17:13:48 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.3.3 By: Johnd419 https://www.aoiusa.org/obama-court-case-could-force-christian-schools-churches-to-employ-hiv-positive-transgender-teacher/#comment-91484 Fri, 25 Jul 2014 17:13:48 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=11078#comment-91484 Thank you, I have just been searching for info about this subject for a long time and yours is the greatest I’ve found out so far. However, what about the bottom line? Are you positive concerning the supply? cckbekeecdee

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By: Geo Michalopulos https://www.aoiusa.org/obama-court-case-could-force-christian-schools-churches-to-employ-hiv-positive-transgender-teacher/#comment-21954 Thu, 27 Oct 2011 00:48:55 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=11078#comment-21954 In reply to Fr. Johannes Jacobse.

keep up with the Southpark characters, Fr. The finest satire on TV. They mercilessly skewer the liberal pieties of the age.

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By: Geo Michalopulos https://www.aoiusa.org/obama-court-case-could-force-christian-schools-churches-to-employ-hiv-positive-transgender-teacher/#comment-21953 Thu, 27 Oct 2011 00:47:31 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=11078#comment-21953 Sure, you jest. Two men performing fellation on each other in a gay pride parade does not strike reasonable people as ‘saintly’.

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By: Michael Bauman https://www.aoiusa.org/obama-court-case-could-force-christian-schools-churches-to-employ-hiv-positive-transgender-teacher/#comment-21801 Tue, 11 Oct 2011 13:41:17 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=11078#comment-21801 Rob, the camel’s nose.

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By: M. Stankovich https://www.aoiusa.org/obama-court-case-could-force-christian-schools-churches-to-employ-hiv-positive-transgender-teacher/#comment-21797 Mon, 10 Oct 2011 01:37:31 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=11078#comment-21797 In reply to Fr. Johannes Jacobse.

I am not a particularly “seasoned” interpreter of the law, but from my vantage, it seems markedly inconsistent, unduly ponderous, and functionally chaotic. California has a “Proposition” system that allows signature-supported issues to be placed on the general election ballot (e.g. medicinal marijuana, “3-strikes” for repeat felons, banning gay marriage, etc.). Yet, even before the celebratory champagne has been popped, someone has filed suit claiming the proposition is unconstitutional, regardless of the sometimes “landslide” vote in support or in opposition. Prop 8, banning gay marriage, passed by only 52% of the vote, but it was the largest turnout of voters in CA history. Where does it stand now? Overturned, constitutionally, by the CA Supreme Court, and is being appealed. Is this a necessary check against “law by mob?” Certainly. But it likewise encourages “law by courts” rather than by legislation. What is the remedy?

My thought, Abouna: For now, I can only rely on the expressed wish of the courts – from the top down – to be taken seriously in saying they will increasingly not tolerate “frivolous” lawsuits (in CA, they have actually begun issuing fines & court costs, and even banning repeat filers); and should the Dept. of Justice even intimate such an imposition of “political correctness,” in the form of sanctions or otherwise, I would expect the backlash of the Fundamentalists to be deafening! Realistically, “protected classes” are one thing, but author Johnson exemplifies that, perhaps even with merit, the claims of the “objectionable” rarely have standing.

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By: Fr. Johannes Jacobse https://www.aoiusa.org/obama-court-case-could-force-christian-schools-churches-to-employ-hiv-positive-transgender-teacher/#comment-21786 Sat, 08 Oct 2011 19:48:11 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=11078#comment-21786 In reply to M. Stankovich.

Well, fine, but this won’t be the logic an activist administration will use to enforce politically correct dogma on churches.

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By: Rob https://www.aoiusa.org/obama-court-case-could-force-christian-schools-churches-to-employ-hiv-positive-transgender-teacher/#comment-21785 Sat, 08 Oct 2011 19:42:39 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=11078#comment-21785 Neither AIDS nor homosexuality were even remotely addressed in the Supreme Court case you’re referring to. The woman teacher in question had narcolepsy and was let go by a Lutheran school after an extended absence. She was not an ordained minister (although the Lutherans do ordain women), and her primary courses were not religious in nature. However, she did provide some religious instruction, and it also appears she didn’t really follow the correct process when she knew her absence would be prolonged even though the school had bent over backwards to accommodate her. There seems to be enough to dismiss her case without even discussing the ministerial exception.

What this all has to do with a transsexual gay hermaphrodite with AIDS (or whatever) I’m not really sure …

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By: M. Stankovich https://www.aoiusa.org/obama-court-case-could-force-christian-schools-churches-to-employ-hiv-positive-transgender-teacher/#comment-21784 Sat, 08 Oct 2011 19:41:24 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=11078#comment-21784 In reply to Fr. Johannes Jacobse.

Contrary to your interpretation, my complaint is that the author cynically disavows the very possibility of “saints,” the reality of which, thankfully, is known to God alone.

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By: Fr. Johannes Jacobse https://www.aoiusa.org/obama-court-case-could-force-christian-schools-churches-to-employ-hiv-positive-transgender-teacher/#comment-21780 Sat, 08 Oct 2011 17:43:55 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=11078#comment-21780 Weak scoldings guys — too moralistic. The first wags a finger for not assuming LGBT’ers (whatever the order of that alphabet is) are saints; the second for the caricature of how many LGTB’ers portray themselves. Ever see a gay pride parade?

Neither touches the main point of the article: the Obama administration wants to use the machinery of state to impose politically correct dogma on the churches using the AIDS as disability classification.

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By: Rob https://www.aoiusa.org/obama-court-case-could-force-christian-schools-churches-to-employ-hiv-positive-transgender-teacher/#comment-21779 Sat, 08 Oct 2011 16:52:11 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=11078#comment-21779 I think that the picture used to drive home the point of this story is an over-the-top two-dimensional cartoon character says it all. It’s difficult at times not to reduce our ideological opponents to cardboard cutouts in an effort to negate their humanity. I expect a little more refinement from the clergy, though.

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By: M. Stankovich https://www.aoiusa.org/obama-court-case-could-force-christian-schools-churches-to-employ-hiv-positive-transgender-teacher/#comment-21773 Sat, 08 Oct 2011 01:04:40 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=11078#comment-21773 It seems to me that the author is too comfortable crossing the line between those whom he finds “objectionable” (exemplified in “a transgender, HIV-positive homosexual” – a completely nonsensical construction) and those he indicates as “unqualified” under the provision already established in the ADA. He is actively attempting to provoke selective “revulsion,” “outrage” and fear, rather than present realistic probabilities pursuant to the outcome of the Supreme Court ruling. In my mind, this form of argument will not lead to resolution of any standing, but merely promotes feelings of helplessness and “informational cascades.”

The ultimate question it seems to me, is whether the personal morality of any given teacher, sexually-related or otherwise, at any given stage of the educational process of our children, prevents, prejudices, intrudes, corrupts, or otherwise detracts from their ability to adequately and acceptably teach our children? Can I properly and adequately teach biology to 9th graders, even though I am having an “extra-marital” affair with my neighbor? Should a 1st grader’s teacher who openly identifies as homosexual, but is otherwise living a life of continence and purity, be prevented from teaching on principle? Are we prepared to morally “screen” all work applicants in order to exclude a specific, objectionable sub-set? My fear is that such arguments invite “witch-hunting” in its crudest sense, and relies on a faulty premise that we do not already employ homosexual teachers and police officers with HIV/AIDS unbeknownst, and to an unknown “consequence.”

I recall the amusement of Fr. Paul Tarrazi who spoke about arguments with his wife following some of his sermons: “You are telling people to do what you do don’t do yourself!” Which begs the question, “Should the shepherd require of the sheep what he knows to be his own inadequacies and struggles?” Absolutely, because if not him, then whom? But who would suggest we conduct surveys of “belief” in our parishes, limited simply to the first two Anathemas of the 7th Ecumenical Council at Nicea, to see how many “heretics” we actually catch? It seems markedly unfair to impose such a standard, and it fundamentally seems better to judge a man by his heart and not the trap of prejudice.

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