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Comments on: Norm of faith as norm of life https://www.aoiusa.org/norm-of-faith-as-norm-of-life/ A Research and Educational Organization that engages the cultural issues of the day within the Orthodox Christian Tradition Fri, 28 May 2010 16:41:36 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.3.3 By: Fr. Johannes Jacobse https://www.aoiusa.org/norm-of-faith-as-norm-of-life/#comment-11738 Fri, 28 May 2010 16:41:36 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=6760#comment-11738 In reply to T. Nathaniel.

There is no “middle ground” as such. There is only the possibility of regression or what Alexander Solzhenitsyn called an “anthropological leap.”
See: A World Split Apart — Commencement Address Delivered At Harvard University, June 8, 1978.

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By: T. Nathaniel https://www.aoiusa.org/norm-of-faith-as-norm-of-life/#comment-11735 Fri, 28 May 2010 15:33:40 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=6760#comment-11735 Overall this is a great essay. However I wonder about the legitimacy and possibility of the middle way that Pat. Kirill seeks at the end.

He says that, “Christian and Orthodox theology… must forcefully assert that the existence of liberal institutions in economic, political, and social life and in international relations is reasonable and morally justified only on the condition that the neoliberal vision of man and society is not imposed along with them.”

How can we truly separate the liberal economic, political, and social institutions from the neoliberal vision of man and society? It is the economic, political and social institutions that largely constitute and determine the society that we will see and thus envision.

Also, the liberal view of man underlies all of these institutions. Behind all of them lies the Enlightenment notion of progress – that these institutions inaugurate a better world that more wholly accomodates itself to the nature of man as a rationally self-interested and self-expressing individual. This myth of progress is antithetical to an emphasis on Holy Tradition as the norm of life.

What middle ground can there be between the myth of progress and an emphasis on adherence to Holy Tradition? How is it possible to separate and affirm liberal institutions while rejecting the anthropology that underlies them?

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By: Greg https://www.aoiusa.org/norm-of-faith-as-norm-of-life/#comment-11652 Wed, 26 May 2010 19:34:25 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=6760#comment-11652

At the foundation of this model of life are the ideas of neoliberalism, which combine pagan anthropocentrism, established in European culture at the time of the Renaissance, with features of Protestant theology and elements of philosophical thought of Jewish origin.

Am I the only one that finds the end of the sentence a little unnerving?

It’s one thing to say that certain writers, who happened to be Jewish, wrote some things that were used to bolster “neoliberalism.” It’s another thing to say that neoliberalism, here vilified, is – in part – Jewish. It seems to me that, phrased as the MP does, this could possibly lead to trouble in Orthodox-Jewish relations.

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By: Eliot Ryan https://www.aoiusa.org/norm-of-faith-as-norm-of-life/#comment-11636 Wed, 26 May 2010 06:55:33 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=6760#comment-11636 The Russian Orthodox Church went to Golgotha, was placed in the tomb and after three generations (25 years each) she arose again. The Church’s mission is to bring people back to God, to Christ, who was physically amongst us on Earth.

The West is trying to bring over the former communist countries the “neoliberal civilization”. Who are the people making the rules in Europe today? They are denying over and over again the Christian origin of European culture. Their mission seems to be to prevent people from returning to God. No force is being used, just the power of mass media, the overwhelming power of publicity,and so on.

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By: Fr. Johannes Jacobse https://www.aoiusa.org/norm-of-faith-as-norm-of-life/#comment-11635 Wed, 26 May 2010 04:54:48 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=6760#comment-11635 I don’t know. It came from a Catholic news service report.

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By: orrologion https://www.aoiusa.org/norm-of-faith-as-norm-of-life/#comment-11632 Wed, 26 May 2010 03:24:58 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=6760#comment-11632 Is this the whole essay? Is the whole available online? Is the whole essay – and the book it is taken from – available in English?

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By: Stones Cry Out - If they keep silent… » Things Heard: e120v2 https://www.aoiusa.org/norm-of-faith-as-norm-of-life/#comment-11626 Tue, 25 May 2010 13:19:43 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=6760#comment-11626 […] The church and the man alone. […]

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By: Tuesday Highlights | Pseudo-Polymath https://www.aoiusa.org/norm-of-faith-as-norm-of-life/#comment-11625 Tue, 25 May 2010 13:15:57 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=6760#comment-11625 […] The church and the man alone. […]

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