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Comments on: Nigel Farage on the EU Descent into Bureaucratic Facism and Roger Scruton on the Recovery of Western Culture [VIDEO] https://www.aoiusa.org/nigel-farage-on-the-eu-descent-into-beaurocratic-facism-and-roger-scruton-on-the-recovery-of-western-culture-video/ A Research and Educational Organization that engages the cultural issues of the day within the Orthodox Christian Tradition Mon, 28 Nov 2011 04:59:07 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.3.3 By: Harry Coin https://www.aoiusa.org/nigel-farage-on-the-eu-descent-into-beaurocratic-facism-and-roger-scruton-on-the-recovery-of-western-culture-video/#comment-22299 Mon, 28 Nov 2011 04:59:07 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=11161#comment-22299 In reply to Cyril.

Who knew? The nuclear lobby sleeping with the global warming crowd.

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By: Cyril https://www.aoiusa.org/nigel-farage-on-the-eu-descent-into-beaurocratic-facism-and-roger-scruton-on-the-recovery-of-western-culture-video/#comment-22298 Mon, 28 Nov 2011 00:54:38 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=11161#comment-22298 In reply to Harry Coin.

Last night I drove a family home from the airport. The father worked for our local utility company and is the lead planner on its most recent nuclear reactor plant. It is at least three years away from bringing in the bulldozers. He also said that at the moment coal powered plants are too cheap (they are already running and producing) and so a return on the nuclear plant investment was decades out. What we needed, he said, was a carbon tax to drive the price of energy up so that it would make the new nuclear plant more lucrative more quickly. Corporate profits through taxation.

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By: Harry Coin https://www.aoiusa.org/nigel-farage-on-the-eu-descent-into-beaurocratic-facism-and-roger-scruton-on-the-recovery-of-western-culture-video/#comment-22297 Sun, 27 Nov 2011 23:20:54 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=11161#comment-22297 In reply to Fr. Hans Jacobse.

You know I wonder whether if this isn’t really suggestive in its way. The bigger government gets, the more business interests feel like they have to pay to have a place there. Pay lobbyists to guide and craft regulation — raise barriers to competition and so on. A self-fulfilling problem. Who was it, Rick Perry I think who pointed out that the area around Washington DC is booming. Lots of shovel ready projects I bet around there. Plenty of stimulus destination.

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By: Fr. Hans Jacobse https://www.aoiusa.org/nigel-farage-on-the-eu-descent-into-beaurocratic-facism-and-roger-scruton-on-the-recovery-of-western-culture-video/#comment-22294 Fri, 25 Nov 2011 23:30:02 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=11161#comment-22294 That’s basically what I meant to say Harry. Too many interests tied to the way things are so the pressure is not to challenge or change it, even when change is self-evidently necessary. At that point it becomes who pays, even though leaving things as the way they are would exact even a greater penalty.

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By: Harry Coin https://www.aoiusa.org/nigel-farage-on-the-eu-descent-into-beaurocratic-facism-and-roger-scruton-on-the-recovery-of-western-culture-video/#comment-22293 Fri, 25 Nov 2011 20:45:10 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=11161#comment-22293 In reply to Fr. Hans Jacobse.

Fr. Hans, those ‘leaders’ who would have you believe their choices are truncated have you fooled. Their choices are wide and varied, they simply choose to not make those that would upset their donating supporters.

People live longer than they once did. The older outnumber the younger. The retirement age must go up, the ‘from 100% full hours to 0% employment’ nature of retirement must be more gradual over more years, and the notion that statistically one might be paid a pension for more years than one worked must change. Anything else is coloring around the edges of the problem.

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By: Fr. Hans Jacobse https://www.aoiusa.org/nigel-farage-on-the-eu-descent-into-beaurocratic-facism-and-roger-scruton-on-the-recovery-of-western-culture-video/#comment-22292 Fri, 25 Nov 2011 18:28:46 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=11161#comment-22292 Another way of saying this is that the problems may be so complex that they have become intractable and thus the choices leaders have are truncated. You simply have no other option than to go down one corridor since going done any other would cause you to lose your job. This can’t last though. There will be breakdown somewhere. That what all the talk over Greek or Italian default and the future of the Euro is all about.

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By: Harry Coin https://www.aoiusa.org/nigel-farage-on-the-eu-descent-into-beaurocratic-facism-and-roger-scruton-on-the-recovery-of-western-culture-video/#comment-22290 Thu, 24 Nov 2011 18:01:26 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=11161#comment-22290 Nigel spoke about how unelected banking/financial folks have toppled two elected leaders. Yet, certainly those banking folks would have had no power the elected didn’t give to them. There is something I’m sure has a name (one I don’t know) that describes this phenomenon we see where those who are elected to authority and responsibility in taking major decisions share a certain outlook (I can’t quite come up with the word for it) wish to cede their authority/responsibility to an unaccountable ‘star chamber’ or even one person. They don’t say this out loud and I think if mentioned to them they’d be upset and take it badly. Yet it is what they are seen to do. What’s up with that?

Maybe they find themselves overmatched somehow, they do not tackle the problem but instead ‘kick the can down the road’ for ‘someone else’ to deal with. Eventually some adult steps into the room and they defacto give him authority while complaining quite loudly about him/them.

This, over against folk who accept when elected their job is to choose the best from the available alternatives, create alternatives, give the smartest people in an area their goals and let them go do what they studied for.

The ‘converse’ of the above thing whose name I can’t quite reach, these same folk in leadership spend extensively and value education and educational facilities. From them comes widespread literacy and specialty and expertise never before seen so broadly in the population. Anyone who can use a smart phone would make a fair typist 40 years ago when one in a dozen if that could manage a keyboard. So with all this historically unprecedented widespread education and expertise— nevertheless these same education-education-education folk favor and create government structures and regulation that limits expert-on-the-ground choices beyond all recognition.

For example, I went to a routine annual medical checkup. The doctor’s nurse reads off a screen questions she’s to ask and record the answers. Now she went to school for many years to be a nurse. The computer she was typing upon that had spaces for only what they had spaces for wasn’t able to look at me, evaluate use training and so forth. She read the question, I gave the answer, she went on to the next one. I worry that the answers made less difference than the same experience you have when at an airline ticket counter checking in. Finally I had about enough, she asked “Do you use illegal drugs?”. I said “no”, then I asked her, “Seriously, in what universe does anybody answer ‘yes’ to that?'” She said, coloring slightly, “Well we have to ask because it is on the computer, we get points and are scored you see”. Oh, well, you know, if it’s on the computer. Same general experience with the doctor, the computer program he used wasn’t an aide to his profession, it was a leash that discredited his training and professional judgement. Someone, somewhere deemed themselves wiser than a highly trained person actually in the presence of the patient. They wrote a program, and imposed it on people with more subject area training than they in the medical field. So, why do the doctors allow it? That’s what I don’t get. They know their stuff, trained for years, and they submit to an impersonal leash and collar in the form of a program running on a laptop that can’t see the patient, but they somehow have to keep happy lest they not get paid.

I can just about imagine all these folk who create vastish regulations embodied in the form of a computer program imposed upon doctors. They collect the various answers and they produce a report which does what most of them do, declare limited success which could have been better had there been more extensive regulation (needing extensive funding) requiring the doctor to click ‘no’ on lots and lots more boxes until they finally list everything so the doctor can click ‘yes’ after 40,000 ‘not this illegal drug, not that illegal drug, not this disease, not that symptom’.

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By: Geo Michalopulos https://www.aoiusa.org/nigel-farage-on-the-eu-descent-into-beaurocratic-facism-and-roger-scruton-on-the-recovery-of-western-culture-video/#comment-22285 Thu, 24 Nov 2011 02:07:06 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=11161#comment-22285 I had the great pleasure of attending a lecture by Roger Scruton about 2 years ago here at the Univerisity of Tulsa. A very wise man. He’s a regular columnist in The American Spectator as well. Well worth the price of the subscription.

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By: Cyril https://www.aoiusa.org/nigel-farage-on-the-eu-descent-into-beaurocratic-facism-and-roger-scruton-on-the-recovery-of-western-culture-video/#comment-22271 Wed, 23 Nov 2011 13:39:15 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=11161#comment-22271 What some digging will do: not this lecture, but six others from Scruton at ISI.

http://www.isi.org/lectures/lectures.aspx?SBy=search&SSub=speaker&SFor=scruton

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By: Fr. Johannes Jacobse https://www.aoiusa.org/nigel-farage-on-the-eu-descent-into-beaurocratic-facism-and-roger-scruton-on-the-recovery-of-western-culture-video/#comment-22270 Wed, 23 Nov 2011 13:16:27 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=11161#comment-22270 In reply to Cyril.

I don’t think so.

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By: Cyril https://www.aoiusa.org/nigel-farage-on-the-eu-descent-into-beaurocratic-facism-and-roger-scruton-on-the-recovery-of-western-culture-video/#comment-22269 Wed, 23 Nov 2011 12:06:12 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=11161#comment-22269 Is there a podcast to either of these? I travel 50 minutes to work and it would be great for the ride.

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By: cynthia curran https://www.aoiusa.org/nigel-farage-on-the-eu-descent-into-beaurocratic-facism-and-roger-scruton-on-the-recovery-of-western-culture-video/#comment-22259 Wed, 23 Nov 2011 04:12:51 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=11161#comment-22259 Actually, a lot of Russians with skills are leaving Russia. The biggest problem in the Eu and the US is the control of immirgation since milions of poor people are heading to the west to try to deal with their poverty issues.

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