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Comments on: Met. Jonah’s 2009 Lenten message https://www.aoiusa.org/met-jonahs-2009-lenten-message/ A Research and Educational Organization that engages the cultural issues of the day within the Orthodox Christian Tradition Sun, 08 Mar 2009 05:24:12 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.3.3 By: Fr. Johannes Jacobse https://www.aoiusa.org/met-jonahs-2009-lenten-message/#comment-2886 Sun, 08 Mar 2009 05:24:12 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=1168#comment-2886 Note 7.

Met. Jonah said: “We are also notifying law enforcement authorities in Pennsylvania, whose offices will be able to do a full investigation beyond our capabilities.”

This is a development that I am very glad to see. It provides a clearer context to Met. Jonah’s encyclical and indicates that my concern that talk about forgiveness was cloaking clear thinking about real malfeasance (a tactic employed by the old regime as a way to shut down discussion) may be unwarranted.

It appears that Met. Jonah is following through on his promises about transparency and concrete accountability. This will help rebuild the trust that was lost.

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By: Eliot Ryan https://www.aoiusa.org/met-jonahs-2009-lenten-message/#comment-2880 Fri, 06 Mar 2009 20:21:39 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=1168#comment-2880 Met. Jonah said:
“We are also notifying law enforcement authorities in Pennsylvania, whose offices will be able to do a full investigation beyond our capabilities.”

He did not turn a blind eye to it. The bottom line is that this scandal harms the reputation of the Church. What if those
who are guilty wanted exactly this: to harm the Church!

Looks like Met. Jonah is the only one who means
American Orthodox unity. All the others were only talking about it. This scandal makes the matter worse and it is certainly not Met Jonah’s fault.

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By: Andrew https://www.aoiusa.org/met-jonahs-2009-lenten-message/#comment-2879 Fri, 06 Mar 2009 18:42:27 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=1168#comment-2879 One has to love Metropolitan Jonah. He truly has the opportunity to become America’s bishop but the “do not judge” tone when placed in the wrong hands can easily lead to a form of nihilism that does more harm than good. It also poses the risks of living in a emotional feel good fantasyland where how we feel about an issue is more important than being right about an issue.

We all make judgments every day as christians, parents, sons, daughters, leaders, workers etc. The truths that form the foundations of these judgments is what matters most. Judgment and responsibility go hand in hand.

There really is no neutrality in our present circumstances.

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By: Eliot Ryan https://www.aoiusa.org/met-jonahs-2009-lenten-message/#comment-2878 Fri, 06 Mar 2009 15:25:35 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=1168#comment-2878 John Couretas: Thank you for the links.
I found this:

Metropolitan Jonah said in a recent interview with Ecumenical News International[] ‘Very honestly, I put little time in thinking about myself,’ Jonah said.

‘I see my ultimate task as not discerning my vision, but discerning what is God’s will for the church.’

We should pray for Met Jonah. He has a very
difficult job!

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By: John Couretas https://www.aoiusa.org/met-jonahs-2009-lenten-message/#comment-2877 Fri, 06 Mar 2009 14:51:20 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=1168#comment-2877 Eliot: Please go to the Orthodox Christians for Accountability site and background yourself. You missed a big story: http://ocanews.org/

While you’re at it, you might want to see the March 5 press release from the OCA on the “evidence of financial mismanagement and possible wrongdoing” at St. Tikhon’s Monastery and Seminary. Link here: http://www.oca.org/news/1784

The story goes on …

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By: Eliot Ryan https://www.aoiusa.org/met-jonahs-2009-lenten-message/#comment-2876 Fri, 06 Mar 2009 13:44:19 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=1168#comment-2876 Fr. Johannes Jacobse:

“Yes, everything he says is true, but framing it in terms of the recent scandal in the OCA seems to preclude any further discussion of the scandal whatsoever. Is it wrong to ask for an accounting of the missed moneys?”

Father, forgive my ignorance: I do not know anything about the recent OCA scandal. How recent it is, or what happened …

What St. Abp John Maximivitch did when a money related scandal occurred while he was in charge and got blamed for it? He blamed the devil for everything! Why make publicity to the devil? Those who did that are certainly not God-fearing people. They might wear special vestments but they fear God not. Who are they then? Maybe this is what they wanted: a scandal in the Church!

Of course those in charge should follow up on the case. Was Met. Jonah in charge when this happened?

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By: Fr. Johannes Jacobse https://www.aoiusa.org/met-jonahs-2009-lenten-message/#comment-2875 Fri, 06 Mar 2009 04:31:21 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=1168#comment-2875 Here’s my problem with Met. Jonah’s exhortation. Yes, everything he says is true, but framing it in terms of the recent scandal in the OCA seems to preclude any further discussion of the scandal whatsoever. Is it wrong to ask for an accounting of the missed moneys? Is it wrong to examine how the funds were privately appropriated and where it went? Is it wrong to ask for restitution where the money went for personal items? He seems to imply it is, since any examination of wrong doing would necessarily name some as wrong doers and thereby fall under the criticism he says should be avoided.

It seems to me that these exhortations skirt dangerously close to the old OCA problem: cover practical issues with misapplied moral exhortations so that necessary distinctions are blurred and accountability blows away with the wind. Again, everything Met. Jonah says is true, generally speaking. But the implied conclusion, or so it reads, that any further inquiry into the nature and structure of the malfeasance is spiritually suspect, strikes me as off the mark.

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By: Eliot Ryan https://www.aoiusa.org/met-jonahs-2009-lenten-message/#comment-2872 Thu, 05 Mar 2009 16:38:49 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=1168#comment-2872

Let our fasting be accompanied by the refusal to indulge in judgment and criticism of others: gossip, slander, suspicion and innuendo, all that is hateful to God

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I committed the above sins and many others.

To love your enemies is a commandment not a
recommendation … Help me Lord for I am weak!

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