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Comments on: Met. Isaiah speaks out against same-sex marriage https://www.aoiusa.org/met-isaiah-speaks-out-against-same-sex-marriage/ A Research and Educational Organization that engages the cultural issues of the day within the Orthodox Christian Tradition Sun, 17 Apr 2011 03:49:54 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.3.3 By: The Spirit of the Age: Met. Isaiah Defends Stand Against Homosexual Marriage to Parishioners — Monomakhos https://www.aoiusa.org/met-isaiah-speaks-out-against-same-sex-marriage/#comment-19804 Sun, 17 Apr 2011 03:49:54 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=5296#comment-19804 […] Source: AOI […]

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By: Michael Bauman https://www.aoiusa.org/met-isaiah-speaks-out-against-same-sex-marriage/#comment-8097 Wed, 30 Dec 2009 14:13:21 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=5296#comment-8097 In reply to George Michalopulos.

George, there will always be those within the Church who are their to sabotage her work. However, if the faithful remain faithful, the Holy Spirit may convert those as well.

As to being on ‘war-footing’: well, we should always expect to be that way and be prepared to give an answer in love and respect for what we believe. Of course, one cannot live successfully in the enemies’ camp either. When people accept the teaching of the world and deny the teaching of the Church it is the first step to apostasy.

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By: George Michalopulos https://www.aoiusa.org/met-isaiah-speaks-out-against-same-sex-marriage/#comment-8096 Wed, 30 Dec 2009 11:34:34 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=5296#comment-8096 Chrys, visitors! I like it! Come all you want, but if you don’t believe and don’t participate in the sacraments, then you’re a visitor. Don’t expect to serve on the parish council or speak during all-parish assemblies.

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By: Chrys https://www.aoiusa.org/met-isaiah-speaks-out-against-same-sex-marriage/#comment-8095 Wed, 30 Dec 2009 11:29:45 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=5296#comment-8095 In reply to George Michalopulos.

Sadly I saw the same thing when I considered returning to Catholicism from a decade long journey through Protestant circles. I recognize that betrayal is often an “inside job” (e.g., Judas). Yet, one should expect that to be the exception, not the rule. You can’t fight the enemy well when they are in the same foxhole. The situation reminds me of a saying I had often heard during that journey when discussing the Church: A ship is made to be in the sea; when the sea is in the ship, however, you’ve got serious trouble. Which reminds me of another saying – the name we had for folks who don’t recognize the necessity for complete conversion: visitors.

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By: George Michalopulos https://www.aoiusa.org/met-isaiah-speaks-out-against-same-sex-marriage/#comment-8093 Wed, 30 Dec 2009 06:17:57 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=5296#comment-8093 Chyrs, one of the sad things about this encyclical is the spirit which caused it to come forth. In other words, many parishes and dioceses have become so worldly that the priests and bishops are now fighting a rear-guard action. This is necessary and they’re called to do it (and will be held to account if they don’t), but wouldn’t it have been far easier if it had never gotten to this point? How can such a priest/bishop effectively proclaim the Gospel to non-Orthodox if those already in the Faith don’t uphold the traditions of the Church?

This reminds me of long epistle Rod Drehe wrote 2 yrs ago, about why he left the Catholic Church for Orthodoxy. His reasons can be boiled down to one searing sentence: basically, whenever he and his wife went into a parish, they were always on “war-footing.” That is having to defend traditional Catholic orthodoxy which more often than not, was in abeyance in the parishes in question. We’re talking not just priests here, but laymen and often the most eminent laymen in the congregtation. Being called a “homophobe,” “bigot,” “racist,” etc. The way this works is that if you’re against gay “marriage” you must also be against mixed marriages as well, therefore probably a racist. yada, yada, yada

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By: Taras https://www.aoiusa.org/met-isaiah-speaks-out-against-same-sex-marriage/#comment-8076 Sun, 27 Dec 2009 23:56:59 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=5296#comment-8076 Wonderful letter, Metropolitan Isaiah! We do live in the times when political correctness has plagued the minds of the majority of people who have literally stopped showing any effort in decerning Satan’s temptations. Many of them do not believe in him. It is unfortunate that such a thing has become a norm in the soceity. However, we as Christians must not be politically correct! We must expose Satan’s acts as they are without being afraid of persecution.

Axios, Metropolitan Isaiah!

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By: Chrys https://www.aoiusa.org/met-isaiah-speaks-out-against-same-sex-marriage/#comment-8073 Sat, 26 Dec 2009 15:50:18 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=5296#comment-8073 It is an unfortunate sign of our times (as noted in the initial address to which the letter refers) that His Eminence must spend most of the letter defending his position primarily by noting that he is not condemning anyone in particular. He has also gently, but clearly, noted the worldly contamination that is spreading throughout the Church:

Thirty years ago, no Greek Orthodox Christian would have argued against or dared to be critical of his priest or his bishop in this manner in order to support the “gay” lifestyle.

Now, however, folks in the pews (presumably faithful, since they were willing to attend a Church event) express positions formed primarily by current mores than by the Tradition of the Church.

Yet, sandwiched between his clear, humble and very Patristic insistence that he condemns no one, lies a firm confrontation with a false (versus true) way of life. (It is important to note that a true Shepherd must do both in order to faithfully uphold the full truth and do so in love; so many today do choose only one or the other – either “love” or “truth” – and the result is that both suffer since both must always stand together.) This forms – both structurally and theologically – the heart of his argument: the position expressed by his “assailants” is not “enlighted” (certainly not by the True Light), but is rather consistent with and evidence of Satanic influence.

The result is a gentle and humble, but firm, expression of faithful living in the context of a contentious issue. May God bless, keep and support His Eminence!

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By: George Michalopulos https://www.aoiusa.org/met-isaiah-speaks-out-against-same-sex-marriage/#comment-8070 Sat, 26 Dec 2009 11:13:37 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=5296#comment-8070 As I’ve said on more than a few occasions, one of the standouts in the GOA.

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