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Comments on: Met. Hilarion: An Alliance of Faith (Orthodox – Catholic Cooperation) https://www.aoiusa.org/met-hilarion-an-alliance-of-faith-orthodox-catholic-cooperation/ A Research and Educational Organization that engages the cultural issues of the day within the Orthodox Christian Tradition Tue, 12 Apr 2011 16:37:17 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.3.3 By: Andrew https://www.aoiusa.org/met-hilarion-an-alliance-of-faith-orthodox-catholic-cooperation/#comment-19727 Tue, 12 Apr 2011 16:37:17 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=9606#comment-19727 Thanks Briton! I think George Weigel exposed Metropolitan Hilarion. How on earth can any Orthodox Hierarch claim that the forced integration of Ukrainian Catholics into Orthodoxy is morally acceptable? Eastern rite Catholics have every right to exist and worship in Orthodox lands. Its called religious freedom…….

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By: Briton https://www.aoiusa.org/met-hilarion-an-alliance-of-faith-orthodox-catholic-cooperation/#comment-19686 Sun, 10 Apr 2011 20:42:34 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=9606#comment-19686 In reply to Andrew.

I agree entirely with Andrew. I think that the Vatican is too savvy to fall for Metropolitan Hilarion’s blandishments. After all, the Russian Orthodox Church won’t allow the Vatican to have its own mission in Russia – a country where the Orthodox Church attracts less than a million committed adherents out of a population of around 140,000,000. Hilarion is hardly arguing from a position of strength.

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By: Andrew https://www.aoiusa.org/met-hilarion-an-alliance-of-faith-orthodox-catholic-cooperation/#comment-19407 Sun, 27 Mar 2011 23:37:23 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=9606#comment-19407 I have to say that I have praised the Metropolitan here but I have been down on him since his response to George Weigel claiming the forcible integration of Ukrainian Catholics into Russian Orthodoxy was acceptable. Forced conversion is never acceptable for an Orthodox Christian. A Church should not build its flock by political force. Eastern Rite Catholics have every right to freely exist and worship in Russia and countries of the former soviet union.

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By: George Michalopulos https://www.aoiusa.org/met-hilarion-an-alliance-of-faith-orthodox-catholic-cooperation/#comment-19359 Sat, 26 Mar 2011 01:42:00 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=9606#comment-19359 In reply to PO’F.

PO’F, what would be wrong with that? I would rather fellowship with other Christians who are at least serious about their faith.

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By: Scott Pennington https://www.aoiusa.org/met-hilarion-an-alliance-of-faith-orthodox-catholic-cooperation/#comment-19353 Fri, 25 Mar 2011 21:44:20 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=9606#comment-19353 In reply to Fr. Johannes Jacobse.

“Met. Hilarion seems to follow the same track outlined in recent appearances to Protestant groups by Met. Timothy Ware”

I’m not sure about that. Metropolitan Hillarion is less prone to “doctrinal compromises” than Met. Kallistos seems to be. You’ll notice that the thrust of this piece is about a cooperation regarding moral witness vis a vis European secularism (and vis a vis Islam). Met. Kallistos’ comments were about doctrinal appreciation to a large extent. Probably as a result of his involvement in the ecumenical movement and his involvement with Western academia, he has in recent years made some surprising statements. Met. Hillarion is more prone to say things like – – and I paraphrase from memory – – “there is some considerable overlap or common ground between the Orthodox and the Roman Catholic faiths, but very much less between the Orthodox and Protestantism.” Of course, that’s only broadly true. Some Protestants are closer to Orthodoxy than others. Nonetheless, the urge to reconcile by bluring distinctions seems much more active within the Greek church than in the Russian one. Met. Hillarion himself implies this:

“Within the framework of the Commission for Theological Dialogue between the Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church, my position is often the toughest. Meanwhile, the documents that are drafted there, are the most often contested by the ROC delegations. There have been instances when we were forced to walk out of sessions as a sign of disagreement with what was happening. We always very firmly oppose attempts to erode the differences that exist between us. ”

If that is true vis a vis Roman Catholicism, which he considers to overlap to some considerable extent with Orthodoxy, it would be much more so with Protestantism. The spirit of the two hierarchs remarks are quite different.

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By: Scott Pennington https://www.aoiusa.org/met-hilarion-an-alliance-of-faith-orthodox-catholic-cooperation/#comment-19349 Fri, 25 Mar 2011 20:22:52 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=9606#comment-19349 In reply to George Patsourakos.

They’re not cooperating to unite their churches. They’re cooperating to battle European secularism. The Russians have consistently said that a meeting between the Pope and Pat. Kirill is premature until matters of Orthodox-Catholic relations in Eastern Europe are resolved. Met. Hilarion in particular has publicly mused that it may take hundreds of years for reunification. This is more of a partnership against a common enemy.

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By: Fr. Johannes Jacobse https://www.aoiusa.org/met-hilarion-an-alliance-of-faith-orthodox-catholic-cooperation/#comment-19325 Fri, 25 Mar 2011 12:45:46 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=9606#comment-19325 In reply to PO’F.

Yes, but only superficially. Liberal outfits like the NCC and the WCC (although much less liberal in recent years) are essentially powerless to speak to the cultural decline given their ideas and thus tend to serve the tyrants (that’s what makes them liberal). The NCC in particular has seen their role as providing moral cover for tyrants.

The difference then, is the orientation toward the moral tradition. Liberal outfits tend to subvert the tradition so that it loses authority in the culture, conservatives see the tradition as the well-spring to cultural renewal. I’m overstating this to draw the distinction of course, but not by much.

Further, “U.S. Fundamentalist Protestants” is only a superficial reading as well. Presbyterians are not fundamentalist, unless you expand the definition to include everyone except Rome and the Orthodoxy, in which case it becomes meaningless.

Met. Hilarion seems to follow the same track outlined in recent appearances to Protestant groups by Met. Timothy Ware:

What Can Evangelicals and Orthodox Learn from One Another? [AUDIO]

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By: PO'F https://www.aoiusa.org/met-hilarion-an-alliance-of-faith-orthodox-catholic-cooperation/#comment-19324 Fri, 25 Mar 2011 08:04:26 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=9606#comment-19324 I guess, given his recent overtures to U.S. Fundamentalist Protestants as well, His Eminence is moving towards a WCC of the Right, only including Old Rome also?

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By: Geo Michalopulos https://www.aoiusa.org/met-hilarion-an-alliance-of-faith-orthodox-catholic-cooperation/#comment-19321 Fri, 25 Mar 2011 01:45:44 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=9606#comment-19321 time will certainly tell. My sense is that they view themselves as being of like mind on the important cultural issues. That is very important, because true unity at the Chalice could not take place unless both parties saw eye-to-eye on these issues. Otherwise, you would have the Eucharistic unity that the Anglicans enjoy with each other but which means nothing and makes a mockery of the Body and Blood of our Lord and Savior.

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By: George Patsourakos https://www.aoiusa.org/met-hilarion-an-alliance-of-faith-orthodox-catholic-cooperation/#comment-19320 Fri, 25 Mar 2011 00:54:55 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=9606#comment-19320 The Russian Orthodox Church and the Roman Catholic Church have been working diligently during the past few months to bring these two churches closer together. It would not surprise me one iota if Pope Benedict XVI and Patriarch Kirill of Moscow and All Russia met later this year, in an effort to achieve Catholic-Orthodox unity.

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