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Comments on: Krindatch: 2010 Orthodox Census “Orthodox Reality in America” https://www.aoiusa.org/krindatch-2010-orthodox-census-power-point/ A Research and Educational Organization that engages the cultural issues of the day within the Orthodox Christian Tradition Mon, 18 Oct 2010 19:49:45 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.3.3 By: And God incited Krindatch to take a census… « A Time to Break Down https://www.aoiusa.org/krindatch-2010-orthodox-census-power-point/#comment-14536 Mon, 18 Oct 2010 19:49:45 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=7974#comment-14536 […] October 18, 2010 by Adam In 2010 a brand new, expertly managed census was taken about the Orthodox Churches in the United States. Overall there are now approximately .005% of Americans in Orthodox churches! But there are many other fascinating and surprising stats! Take a look at the power point of this new census here. […]

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By: Fr. Johannes Jacobse https://www.aoiusa.org/krindatch-2010-orthodox-census-power-point/#comment-14509 Sun, 17 Oct 2010 01:51:38 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=7974#comment-14509 In reply to Dean Calvert.

Yup. A World Split Apart — Commencement Address Delivered At Harvard University, June 8, 1978

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By: Dean Calvert https://www.aoiusa.org/krindatch-2010-orthodox-census-power-point/#comment-14506 Sat, 16 Oct 2010 17:17:29 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=7974#comment-14506 In reply to Fr. Johannes Jacobse.

Fr. Hans,

Is there a transcript of the address available anywhere?

Thanks,
dean

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By: cynthia curran https://www.aoiusa.org/krindatch-2010-orthodox-census-power-point/#comment-14495 Sat, 16 Oct 2010 03:58:31 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=7974#comment-14495 I agree with Solzhenitisyn Europe didn’t need Stalin to help defeated Hitler. In fact, Stalins alliance with Hitler cause his own people to suffer in terms of millions that were killed by nazis or straved by the bombers of the Germans, and the suffering of Poland and other Eastern European nations. He is right about China but I doubt he knew they would as wealthly as they are today even if their people still have a lot less money than westerners.

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By: cynthia curran https://www.aoiusa.org/krindatch-2010-orthodox-census-power-point/#comment-14494 Sat, 16 Oct 2010 02:40:10 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=7974#comment-14494 Well, I found the Solzhenitsyn speech a bit of prohency. Speaking of Vietnam ,my father was in the Korean war and the Korean war was a draw. Think of what happen to the North today compared to the south. Also, having legal questions about dealing with terroristism is defintely wrong and the lack of a will to fight a war, look at the two current wars, people can question why we are there but there seems to be a lack of will. Also, the recession means that people that have been out of work for a long time expect the government to provide for them since as the speech mention americans are use to that. I believe that those on the right that want Obama to failed are unfortunely find out that almost a 10 percent unemployment rate will make it harder to eliminate the growth of the welfare state and make it hard to succeded against it. Think back to the Great Depression that was the effect of a prolong period of high unemploymnet.

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By: alexis banias https://www.aoiusa.org/krindatch-2010-orthodox-census-power-point/#comment-14478 Thu, 14 Oct 2010 21:28:49 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=7974#comment-14478 Wow! I hope all posters are listening to the above 1978 Harvard Address by the great Solzhenitsyn, once a captain in the soviet army who publicly criticized Stalin himself during his reign of terror full well knowing the ramifications of such an outburst. I have always held Sir Aleksandr in the highest respect, and I thank Father Jacobse and this website for allowing me to listen to this man’s wisdom, eloquence and astute observations.

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By: George Michalopulos https://www.aoiusa.org/krindatch-2010-orthodox-census-power-point/#comment-14470 Thu, 14 Oct 2010 14:27:01 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=7974#comment-14470 Very well said, Alexis. Speaking of Pastor Hagee, I’ve had my problems with much of his eschatology, but I’ve seen him grow, especially in his reconsideration of historical Christianity (he used to be quite the anti-Constininian)>

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By: alexis banias https://www.aoiusa.org/krindatch-2010-orthodox-census-power-point/#comment-14468 Thu, 14 Oct 2010 12:58:35 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=7974#comment-14468 Pastor Hagee’s 3-part sermon on “Vote the Bible” should have been the blueprint for every “Christian” sermon preached behind every pulpit in every church in America prior to Obama’s election. It is absolutely powerful! When I had heard it, I couldn’t understand why Orthodox clergy weren’t preaching the same things during that time.

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By: alexis banias https://www.aoiusa.org/krindatch-2010-orthodox-census-power-point/#comment-14467 Thu, 14 Oct 2010 12:50:05 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=7974#comment-14467 George:

I know I haven’t been too kind to the protestants, but I do believe in the “radical remnant” of Christians who are going to be saved. And they run the gamut of American Denominational Christianity. If I hear something right on theologically or practically, no matter what denomination, I will applaud, which brings me to my next point. Pastor John Hagee from Cornerstone Bible Church did an absolutely powerful 3-part sermon entitled, “Vote the Bible,” two years ago before the presidential election. I would really like to send this 3-part c.d. series to you, if you could provide me with your business address or other. I think you would appreciate it, and maybe we could discuss it.

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By: George Michalopulos https://www.aoiusa.org/krindatch-2010-orthodox-census-power-point/#comment-14462 Wed, 13 Oct 2010 23:03:06 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=7974#comment-14462 In reply to alexis banias.

Alexis, I agree with you. Unfortunately, when have we in the colonial eparchies ever “voted” on those “elected to office” that is say, our bishops, who should have been catechising us lo these many years?

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By: alexis banias https://www.aoiusa.org/krindatch-2010-orthodox-census-power-point/#comment-14460 Wed, 13 Oct 2010 21:25:04 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=7974#comment-14460 We will be held accountable on the Last Day of who we had elected to office.

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By: alexis banias https://www.aoiusa.org/krindatch-2010-orthodox-census-power-point/#comment-14458 Wed, 13 Oct 2010 21:20:35 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=7974#comment-14458 Thank you for the Orthodox Study above as it is quite sad and sobering. I had read an article in the excellent Catholic academic journal, “First Things,” that 6% of voters in the last presidential election had voted on one issue, and that was abortion. I recall in the Book of Proverbs, Chapter 7 – if I am not mistaken – that there are seven things God absolutely detests, and one of them is the shedding of innocent blood. How dare those who are in favor of abortion call themselves “Christians,” let alone “Orthodox Christians!” Are we not to approach the Holy Eucharist believing the Holy Orthodox Church in its entirety?! I guess a majority of the Orthodox have become “Cafeteria Catholics.” And it is incumbent upon the clergy and hierarchy to sternly rebuke as well as constantly hammer from the pulpit the essentials of our faith, if not excommunicate. Otherwise, we are just playing games in the church militant. There is absolutely no reason why each and every Orthodox pulpit prior to the 2008 presidential election was not resounding with the admonishments regarding the right to life, the defense of traditional marriage, and those politicians who support the perversions of such sacred institutions, for “politics is nothing more than private views held in the public domain.” And we wonder why Orthodox Evangelism is struggling in the American Public Square? All other problems aside, the Orthodox Church here is not even united!

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By: Fr. Johannes Jacobse https://www.aoiusa.org/krindatch-2010-orthodox-census-power-point/#comment-14447 Wed, 13 Oct 2010 12:06:44 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=7974#comment-14447 In reply to Harry Coin.

As soon as the majority of the middle class switches to an entitlement mentality, the country is doomed. We will end up like France, shutting down the country because a sacrifice is need to maintain solvency (if you call raising the retirement age to 62 a sacrifice) while parts of Paris burn at the hands of Muslim radicals, or like England where some courts now function under Sharia Law.

Or maybe we will sentence ourselves to sterility, embracing destructive novelties such as homosexual coupling constituting a marriage, our arrogance blinding us to the most elementary wisdom of the ages.

It starts where you indicated however, a centralizing of assets so that the decisions with the deepest reach into private life can be made by technocrats and others who are convinced they know what is best for you and me, a soft tyranny that ends up in the same place as the brutal regimes that this nation fought against in the last century. Solzhenitsyn warned us in his Harvard Address that the philosophical materialism that ravaged Eastern Europe can also ravage “free” Europe, although the former was imposed by force while the latter is embraced by men without chests seeking their own abolition.

“But Father, aren’t you restricted from speaking about political issues?” Well, no, not really, as long as I conform myself to the spirit of the age.

The men who signed the Manhattan Declaration understand the danger.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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By: cynthia curran https://www.aoiusa.org/krindatch-2010-orthodox-census-power-point/#comment-14441 Wed, 13 Oct 2010 04:41:46 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=7974#comment-14441 Well, the problem is convinced people that are not that religous that abortion is wrong philosophy. It was easier in earlier times since it as very dangerous. One reason that the old Justinian Code outlawed it.

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By: Harry Coin https://www.aoiusa.org/krindatch-2010-orthodox-census-power-point/#comment-14428 Tue, 12 Oct 2010 15:46:43 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=7974#comment-14428 In reply to Fr. Johannes Jacobse.

Fr. Hans: I wonder whether we are seeing above another aspect of ‘central government expansion’ not just into the moral space you mention but into every available space. You demonstrate above an expansion into the moral space, we see an expansion into the commercial and the financial and the medical spaces, for years we have seen an expansion into the educational space. To include this exploitation of the concept ‘rights’ from a description of what life opportunities must not be encroached into, well, it’s a parody but it starts to feel like the next one will be ‘everyone has a right to free beer’. Soon not even the important rights will be distinguished from the ersatz foolery and I fear the loss of many of them. The echo of that in your case was the professor subordinating general free speech to the dynamics of a particular issue.

The various people active in those spaces have either retreated or been pushed into smaller roles, while this central authority enlarges.

I wonder whether this is what needs must happen when the middle class shrinks in a democratic context.

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