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Comments on: John Couretas. Greek Patriarch: No Nukes https://www.aoiusa.org/john-couretas-greek-patriarch-no-nukes/ A Research and Educational Organization that engages the cultural issues of the day within the Orthodox Christian Tradition Thu, 17 Mar 2011 19:47:08 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.3.3 By: Eliot Ryan https://www.aoiusa.org/john-couretas-greek-patriarch-no-nukes/#comment-19123 Thu, 17 Mar 2011 19:47:08 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=9492#comment-19123 In reply to Andrew.

The purpose Christ created His Church is for the salvation of souls. Can’t help the feeling that we are once again in the stage when Jesus admonished the Pharisees and Sadducees for turning people away from God and for worrying about “unclean food and hands” (or “clean technologies”) instead of their eternal salvation.
“How terrible it will be for you, scribes and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door to the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces. You don’t go in yourselves, and you don’t allow those who are trying to enter to go in. Matthew 23:13

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By: Andrew https://www.aoiusa.org/john-couretas-greek-patriarch-no-nukes/#comment-19121 Thu, 17 Mar 2011 19:12:49 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=9492#comment-19121 Lets say the Green Patriarch gets his wish and all nuclear power is eliminated thus reducing the supply of energy to be distributed throughout the world. Energy prices would no doubt skyrocket with a reduced supply. If my monthly energy bill goes fromo $150 per month to somwhere around $400 per month then the average household will have less discretionary income for things like Church stewardship pledges and parish donations. This means people will be giving less and the Church will have less to work with. I continue to be amazed that there are leaders who advocate policies that ultimately harm the ability of the people to financially support the Church. The Church does not have a limitless supply of money. Even in countries where the Church is state supported tax revenus can easily plummett while in countries like the USA giving can drop drastically under poor economic conditions.

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By: Michael Bauman https://www.aoiusa.org/john-couretas-greek-patriarch-no-nukes/#comment-19104 Tue, 15 Mar 2011 16:14:00 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=9492#comment-19104 In reply to Chris Banescu.

Great question Chris. Even a cursory reading of the Holy Scriptures and the Patristic texts would explode such language (or should). But, if I am not mistaken he was trained in a western dialectic approach to theology which is fundamentally dualistic deism. It is the downfall of a natual law approach to morals, ethics and theology. The understanding and experience of “God with us” is lost. The understanding articulated by St. John Chrysostom that: “God created everything not only for our use, but also that we, seeing the great wealth of His creations, might be astonished at the might of the Creator and might understand that all this was created with wisdom and unutterable goodness for the honor of man” or

Psalm 103/104:

1 Bless the LORD, O my soul! O LORD my God, You are very great: You are clothed with honor and majesty,
2 Who cover Yourself with light as with a garment, Who stretch out the heavens like a curtain.
3 He lays the beams of His upper chambers in the waters, Who makes the clouds His chariot, Who walks on the wings of the wind,
4 Who makes His angels spirits, His ministers a flame of fire.
5 You who laid the foundations of the earth, So that it should not be moved forever,
6 You covered it with the deep as with a garment; The waters stood above the mountains.
7 At Your rebuke they fled; At the voice of Your thunder they hastened away.
8 They went up over the mountains; They went down into the valleys, To the place which You founded for them.
9 You have set a boundary that they may not pass over, That they may not return to cover the earth.
10 He sends the springs into the valleys; They flow among the hills.
11 They give drink to every beast of the field; The wild donkeys quench their thirst.
12 By them the birds of the heavens have their home; They sing among the branches.
13 He waters the hills from His upper chambers; The earth is satisfied with the fruit of Your works.
14 He causes the grass to grow for the cattle, And vegetation for the service of man, That he may bring forth food from the earth,
15 And wine that makes glad the heart of man, Oil to make his face shine, And bread which strengthens man’s heart.
16 The trees of the LORD are full of sap, The cedars of Lebanon which He planted,
17 Where the birds make their nests; The stork has her home in the fir trees.
18 The high hills are for the wild goats; The cliffs are a refuge for the rock badgers.[a]
19 He appointed the moon for seasons; The sun knows its going down.
20 You make darkness, and it is night, In which all the beasts of the forest creep about.
21 The young lions roar after their prey, And seek their food from God.
22 When the sun rises, they gather together And lie down in their dens.
23 Man goes out to his work And to his labor until the evening.
24 O LORD, how manifold are Your works! In wisdom You have made them all. The earth is full of Your possessions—
25 This great and wide sea, In which are innumerable teeming things, Living things both small and great.
26 There the ships sail about; There is that Leviathan Which You have made to play there.
27 These all wait for You, That You may give them their food in due season.
28 What You give them they gather in; You open Your hand, they are filled with good.
29 You hide Your face, they are troubled; You take away their breath, they die and return to their dust.
30 You send forth Your Spirit, they are created; And You renew the face of the earth.
31 May the glory of the LORD endure forever; May the LORD rejoice in His works.
32 He looks on the earth, and it trembles; He touches the hills, and they smoke.
33 I will sing to the LORD as long as I live; I will sing praise to my God while I have my being.
34 May my meditation be sweet to Him; I will be glad in the LORD.
35 May sinners be consumed from the earth, And the wicked be no more.
Bless the LORD, O my soul!
Praise the LORD!

The best part of Dn. Kuraev’s essary on evoloution described how the earth responds to God’s word without resistence. The EP’s approach is conditioned and informed by the mind of the world. It is a temptation to which we are all subject and none ever entirely escape. Man’s use of technology is a topic that needs profound discussion and a topic on which the Church has quite a bit to say, but not today and never in a context of GAIA. That is simply heretical.

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By: Scott Pennington https://www.aoiusa.org/john-couretas-greek-patriarch-no-nukes/#comment-19103 Tue, 15 Mar 2011 16:10:20 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=9492#comment-19103 Revenge implies personality. Not sure he wants to go there.

Church leadership should not take sides (in the name of the Church) in political questions unless there is a clear Orthodox position on a question which goes back to antiquity (abortion, for example). The rest is political commentary, not pastoral care. The death penalty, form of government (apart from opposition to totalitarianism, which is idolatry), environmentalism, global warming, social justice (in the modern sense of the term), etc. These are all outside the competency of the clergy. They can certainly have personal opinions on these issues. It’s just that these opinions have no religious “teeth” whatsoever since they are not addressed by Holy Tradition. Whatever they make up on these questions, even if they attempt to root it in Holy Tradition, is little more than a construct from wholecloth based on their political convictions.

I’d be much more interested in their stock picks.

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By: Chris Banescu https://www.aoiusa.org/john-couretas-greek-patriarch-no-nukes/#comment-19102 Tue, 15 Mar 2011 15:49:44 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=9492#comment-19102 I wonder what prompts an Orthodox Patriarch to adopt such atheistic, neo-pagan nature-worship language, typically used by radical environmentalists:

Are we so arrogant as to compete with and exploit nature? Yet, we know that nature invariably seeks revenge.

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By: Dean Calvert https://www.aoiusa.org/john-couretas-greek-patriarch-no-nukes/#comment-19100 Tue, 15 Mar 2011 15:42:39 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=9492#comment-19100 With all due respect, HAH thinks the same rules apply to power generation as apply to appointment of bishops with no people (aka Metropolitan of Bursa) i.e. pretend there is no problem, and it disappears.

Wrong on both counts…but at least they are consistent.

Best Regards
Dean

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By: Michael Bauman https://www.aoiusa.org/john-couretas-greek-patriarch-no-nukes/#comment-19099 Tue, 15 Mar 2011 15:06:39 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=9492#comment-19099 Another case of ideology over faith. Power over love.

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