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Comments on: John Anderson on Reaching Millenials https://www.aoiusa.org/john-anderson-on-reaching-millenials/ A Research and Educational Organization that engages the cultural issues of the day within the Orthodox Christian Tradition Sun, 16 Jun 2013 19:33:28 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.3.3 By: Cynthia Curran https://www.aoiusa.org/john-anderson-on-reaching-millenials/#comment-28260 Sun, 16 Jun 2013 19:33:28 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=12779#comment-28260 Dancing Alone” by Frank Schaeffer (who has now flaked out and is busy maligning his parents) and “Thirsting for Water in a Land of Shallow Wells” by Professor Matthew Gallatin. The former is a bit incendiary, but the latter is loving and gently persuasive, and they both give very informative perspectives on the same topic. Furthermore, I would also add to the reading list, “Against False Union,” a 1963 classic by Dr. Alexander Kalom

Well, the problem with Frank is he likes the liturgy of the 6th century but not the morality. Case in point, Frank is liberal on the social issues but in the age of Justinian, Justinian not fundamentalists evangelicals made the remarked about God punishing Sodom and Gomorrah for their homosexual sin. Now, I don’t think that God punishes people all the time for homosexuality as the emperor Justinian thought but to go almost the opposite extreme is to take a very modern view of things that is divorced from ancient Orthodox teachings or culture. Case also in point,Justinian was far from a model Christian but in his day you called a spade is a spade not so in the modern world.

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By: Cynthia Curran https://www.aoiusa.org/john-anderson-on-reaching-millenials/#comment-28259 Sun, 16 Jun 2013 19:21:49 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=12779#comment-28259 The problem is Orthodoxy doesn’t not want to invest in converting a major metro area. Take San Diego there are plenty of young evangelicals or not religious young people that are tired that the only game in town is between the evangelicals or Roman Catholics which in a placed like San Diego tend to be cradle Catholics A lot of young people read the church fathers particularity if they have attended a religious college. I think you could convert as much as 20,000. Currently, the Orthodox population in San Diego including the Oriental is about only 13,000 Most people there think that Orthodox are mainly interested in Greek Festivals.

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By: Fr. Hans Jacobse https://www.aoiusa.org/john-anderson-on-reaching-millenials/#comment-28249 Sun, 16 Jun 2013 00:37:36 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=12779#comment-28249 In reply to Alexis, Patron Saint of the Nice Guy.

I know that the music category is “Christian,” but it is just entertainment. Sounds a bit cynical I guess, even stodgy, but for me it is just another category. I don’t see it as Christian in any meaningful sense.

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By: Jonathan Anderson https://www.aoiusa.org/john-anderson-on-reaching-millenials/#comment-28243 Sat, 15 Jun 2013 21:27:51 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=12779#comment-28243 In reply to Andrew.

Thanks for the congrats, Andrew. I do appreciate your loving comment. I do my best to be a contributing voice, but also realize I need to sit at the feet of many others before I can do so from a position of authority and priesthood.

I have been warned by a very wise priest who speaks with me often that I will have to fight the status quo of Orthodoxy. I take much encouragement from Father John Peck’s article about the future of Orthodoxy in America.

I do appreciate that sound advice. This Tuesday I am taking an exam for my insurance license and hope to build a career out of this if I can. I realize I have to be bi-vocational and find ways to support a family. This advice is well received and deeply appreciate. Thanks 🙂

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By: Alexis, Patron Saint of the Nice Guy https://www.aoiusa.org/john-anderson-on-reaching-millenials/#comment-28202 Wed, 12 Jun 2013 10:57:39 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=12779#comment-28202 In reply to Cynthia Curran.

Cynthia:

There is a time and place for everything, and the yahoo entertainment and carnival music (i.e. Christian rock) seen in many contemporary churches makes Christianity and its worship a farce. I was even a visitor to one non-denominational church, and the two aspiring female rappers at the altar were waxing philosophic on DA MAN UPSTAIRS, YO. C’mon! You would not see such spectacles in the Jewish and Muslim faiths and people seem to treat these faiths with a hush of awe and respect. American Christianity needs to reclaim its dignity and respect, and there is no better place to start than in the tradition of good ole American Protestant hymns. Using Jesus as a punchline in music whether intentionally or inadvertently to make money and Christianity “cool” is silly. There are two different Christian radio stations in my area playing two genres (respectful and disrespectful) of their music, and I can emphatically testify that one elicits a feeling of awe and reverence, while the other makes you feel corny and embarrassed. It sounds as if the Copts are understanding “a time and place for everything.” Music is a very powerful and effective media and when conveying the power of Jesus Christ should be done so wisely and respectfully. Hey. Wouldn’t it be great to have a show called “COPTS” as a reality show alternative to the show “COPS?” You would see Coptic Orthodox monks and priests busting up parties and Bible studies playing Christian rock, heavy metal, and rap music. Yes, I was actually in a Christian bookstore and it was selling a c.d. entitled, “Heavy Metal Praise.”

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By: Cynthia Curran https://www.aoiusa.org/john-anderson-on-reaching-millenials/#comment-28201 Wed, 12 Jun 2013 04:38:08 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=12779#comment-28201 Nice to hear from you, Father J. I am addressing solely the pop culture appeal of Christian rock music from the entertainment angle. It’s catchy, loud, has a good beat, and serves the short attention span of this fast food generation. Contrast that with the reverential lengthy Orthodox melodies, especially the Greek liturgical atonal/monotone chanting, and I think more would be inclined to embrace the former. As far as Christian music falling on its own face because of its supposed shallowness, I don’t know if I necessarily agree with it. CCMI (Contemporary Christian Music Industry) is huge, making mega bucks on cheesy lyrics and subpar music. In fact, in 2000 Christian artist, Michael Card, had issued 104 Theses Against the CCMI (akin to Martin Luther’s 95) for supposed abuses and misrepresentations of the Christian music genre. My point of all this is that Christian rock music and worship music is very American pop culturesque and appealing, and to me, cheapens the reverence and respect for Jesus Christ. How can you go from Handel’s “Messiah” to “Jesus Freak” by DC Talk? I had seen a book some time ago by Dan Lucarini entitled, “Why I Left the Contemporary Christian Music Movement,” or something like that, but I have the author correct. Christian rock and worship music has appeal like the Big Mac. It’s cheap, quick, and easy.

I think the Copts are smart, they observing a traditional liturgical service but allowed young people to do contemporary music at a bible study. There is a group in Greece that uses modern music about God but was almost ban in Greece. The group wants to observed the proper liturgical service at church but wants to sing outside of church contemporary music. A smart moved would be to copy the Copts which observes traditional liturgy but allows for modern expression at a bible study. .
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By: Alexis, Patron Saint of the Nice Guy https://www.aoiusa.org/john-anderson-on-reaching-millenials/#comment-28198 Wed, 12 Jun 2013 01:05:38 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=12779#comment-28198 In reply to Fr. Johannes Jacobse.

Nice to hear from you, Father J. I am addressing solely the pop culture appeal of Christian rock music from the entertainment angle. It’s catchy, loud, has a good beat, and serves the short attention span of this fast food generation. Contrast that with the reverential lengthy Orthodox melodies, especially the Greek liturgical atonal/monotone chanting, and I think more would be inclined to embrace the former. As far as Christian music falling on its own face because of its supposed shallowness, I don’t know if I necessarily agree with it. CCMI (Contemporary Christian Music Industry) is huge, making mega bucks on cheesy lyrics and subpar music. In fact, in 2000 Christian artist, Michael Card, had issued 104 Theses Against the CCMI (akin to Martin Luther’s 95) for supposed abuses and misrepresentations of the Christian music genre. My point of all this is that Christian rock music and worship music is very American pop culturesque and appealing, and to me, cheapens the reverence and respect for Jesus Christ. How can you go from Handel’s “Messiah” to “Jesus Freak” by DC Talk? I had seen a book some time ago by Dan Lucarini entitled, “Why I Left the Contemporary Christian Music Movement,” or something like that, but I have the author correct. Christian rock and worship music has appeal like the Big Mac. It’s cheap, quick, and easy.

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By: Fr. Johannes Jacobse https://www.aoiusa.org/john-anderson-on-reaching-millenials/#comment-28193 Tue, 11 Jun 2013 18:10:03 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=12779#comment-28193 In reply to Alexis, Patron Saint of the Nice Guy.

Alexis, the critique is sound but don’t you think entertainment as worship denominations will fall of its own weight? What I mean here is that I don’t think it is even a concern. The people who see the shallowness and have abandoned (or never embraced) it are.

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By: Alexis, Patron Saint of the Nice Guy https://www.aoiusa.org/john-anderson-on-reaching-millenials/#comment-28192 Tue, 11 Jun 2013 13:56:05 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=12779#comment-28192 I wholeheartedly embrace the aforementioned essay, but I am quickly aware of the realities of American Denominationalism, which I think is the biggest obstacle here. Mr. Anderson astutely recognizes that he does not want to promote a false sense of ecumenism, but the biggest obstacle for his Orthodox evangelism will be those in the other tens of thousands of Christian denominations, where Christianity has been marginalized into a carcicatured morass of cheap believism and circus atmosphere antics as manifested by televangelists; Christian “rock” music (to make Jesus cool); fast food salvation; the Gospel of Reciprocity; pusillanimous preaching; inordinate over-priced Bible schools and seminaries (some teaching New Age theologies); and bible-based theme parks (?). I could expound a little more on how “the” American Religion, American Christian Denominationalism, is becoming a joke and would pose the biggest obstacle to Mr. Anderson’s mission, but I won’t and only refer readers and bloggers here to the movie, “Fletch Lives,” which hilariously and poignantly makes my point. I also wanted to encourage people to read two powerful books that really enlightened me to the epidemic of which I speak, and they are “Dancing Alone” by Frank Schaeffer (who has now flaked out and is busy maligning his parents) and “Thirsting for Water in a Land of Shallow Wells” by Professor Matthew Gallatin. The former is a bit incendiary, but the latter is loving and gently persuasive, and they both give very informative perspectives on the same topic. Furthermore, I would also add to the reading list, “Against False Union,” a 1963 classic by Dr. Alexander Kalomiros.

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By: Andrew https://www.aoiusa.org/john-anderson-on-reaching-millenials/#comment-28185 Tue, 11 Jun 2013 00:39:26 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=12779#comment-28185 Congratulations to John on having a great set of skills and some very clear thinking with regards to the Orthodox Church.

The unfortunate thing is that the vast majority of the Church’s leadership both clergy and lay will do whatever it can to maintain the status quo at the expense of young men like John. Ask any number of clergy who have expressed their creative thoughts on a variety of matters.

My advice to John is simple. Honor and nurture your deeply held beliefs as they are a gift from God but never put yourself in a position where any Orthodox hierarch can control your life or your ability to raise and support a family. Develop a nice portable side career that can support a priestly ministry. Only when you are 100% sure you have achieved this should you then seek the priesthood.

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