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Comments on: Green Patriarch on Copenhagen https://www.aoiusa.org/green-patriarch-on-copenhagen/ A Research and Educational Organization that engages the cultural issues of the day within the Orthodox Christian Tradition Thu, 17 Dec 2009 03:59:50 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.3.3 By: John Couretas https://www.aoiusa.org/green-patriarch-on-copenhagen/#comment-7911 Thu, 17 Dec 2009 03:59:50 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=5083#comment-7911 From Pajamas Media:

European Carbon Credit Trading System Plagued by Fraud

The European Union’s flagship cap-and-trade carbon credit trading system is plagued by massive fraud and is effectively under the control of organized crime, according to a December 9 statement issued by European police. Europol, an EU-wide criminal intelligence agency similar to the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation, says bogus trading at the EU’s Emission Trading Scheme (ETS) has exceeded €5 billion (U.S.$7 billion) over the past 18 months alone. Europol says that in some EU countries, up to 90 percent of the entire market volume is fraudulent.

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By: Andrew https://www.aoiusa.org/green-patriarch-on-copenhagen/#comment-7910 Thu, 17 Dec 2009 03:27:48 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=5083#comment-7910 There has go to be some video of that Church service in Copenhagen out there on the internet. Any AOI readers have any luck finding any? My thought is the video is posted in a language other than English.

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By: John Couretas https://www.aoiusa.org/green-patriarch-on-copenhagen/#comment-7907 Wed, 16 Dec 2009 22:16:03 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=5083#comment-7907 From the AmSpec Blog: Transgressions against Gaia

…my tears started before anyone said a word. As the service started, dozens choristers from around the world carried three things down the aisle and to the altar: pieces of dead coral bleached by hot ocean temperatures; stones uncovered by retreating glaciers; and small, shriveled ears of corn from drought-stricken parts of Africa.

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By: George Michalopulos https://www.aoiusa.org/green-patriarch-on-copenhagen/#comment-7892 Wed, 16 Dec 2009 05:23:20 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=5083#comment-7892 Andrew, that is the hallmark of all “progressivism.” Liberals (I hate using that word because they’re not classically liberal, but there you go) hate liberty because they hate Christianity and would love to see people dependant upon them. I’m sorry that an otherwise admirable man (the current EP) has cast in his lot with these Godless people.

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By: Andrew https://www.aoiusa.org/green-patriarch-on-copenhagen/#comment-7876 Tue, 15 Dec 2009 17:38:29 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=5083#comment-7876 George,

They are not using their omorphoria as badges of liberation from sin but as shackles for those whose souls they must give an account.

An excellent and incisive quote. The EP really is the Poverty Patriarch. He is condemning the poor to an endless cycle of poverty.

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By: Eliot Ryan https://www.aoiusa.org/green-patriarch-on-copenhagen/#comment-7875 Tue, 15 Dec 2009 16:16:56 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=5083#comment-7875 ” … it doesn’t matter that this is all based on a lie and that 90% of all people are either antithetical or skeptical. What’s at stake here is the loss of all liberty: intellectual, ecomonic, and national.”

This does not mean that it is going to quickly run out of fuel. Also, I have doubts about the current intellectual liberty…

“Big Bang” and monkey-to-man “evolution” are nothing but junk theories that have truly retarded science. Heliocentrism (or the current A-centrism) replaced Geocentrism but it was never proved to be the correct model or the only model. It is presented as fact in Universities and lower schools everywhere. We have assumed that science has proven that the earth goes around the sun. At list I did assume… until I found out that there are passages in the Bible explicitely indicating that the sun, or stars move AROUND the earth.

Prevailing theories held that ether formed an absolute reference frame with respect to which the rest of the universe was stationary. Heliocentrism used to assume that Earth was orbiting the Sun in a stationary ether. It would therefore follow that the ether would blow past us like a wind in an east-west direction. Michelson and Morley (1887) experiment was designed to measure the speed of light in different directions (east-west and north-south) in order to measure the speed of the ether relative to Earth. The experiment failed to measure any difference in speed. The experiment was repeated later many times and the same result was found.

Rather than admitting the possibility that the earth was stationary with respect to the ether,
scientists dispensed the ether. Michelson-Morley experiment showed that the earth was stationary (or
at lest this is a posibility). In order to avoid having to adopt this results Einstein comes up with
the postulate: “speed of light is constant in all reference frames”. Special Relativity claims that
the speed of light is the only constant in the universe, whereas mass, length, distance, and time became relative. What we have is a system of mathematical formulae which doesn’t explain much of
how things work BUT because of Relativity (its postulates), no one can prove whether the sun goes around the earth or the earth goes around the sun.

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By: George Michalopulos https://www.aoiusa.org/green-patriarch-on-copenhagen/#comment-7860 Tue, 15 Dec 2009 05:12:36 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=5083#comment-7860 Chrys, it doesn’t matter that this is all based on a lie and that 90% of all people are either antithetical or skeptical. What’s at stake here is the loss of all liberty: intellectual, ecomonic, and national. To the extent that the Archbishop of Canterbury, the EP and his minions in the US are party to this, it is to provide theological cover. Shame on them. They are not using their omorphoria as badges of liberation from sin but as shackles for those whose souls they must give an account.

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By: John Panos https://www.aoiusa.org/green-patriarch-on-copenhagen/#comment-7850 Tue, 15 Dec 2009 01:28:36 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=5083#comment-7850 Perhaps the Title of this article should have been,

“Socialism comes to Greece…again.”

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By: Chrys https://www.aoiusa.org/green-patriarch-on-copenhagen/#comment-7848 Tue, 15 Dec 2009 00:52:37 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=5083#comment-7848 I guess Climategate hasn’t made a dent. Given the disastrous economic consequences of the proposed policies – and the ineffectual changes they will effect – my feeling is that if he so desperately wants to demand these policies, he should pay for them. There is something fundamentally unjust about using the force of government to make people buy something they do not want, something that would be destructive to their interests. (By contrast, if it was clearly beneficial, you wouldn’t have to “demand” it or impose it – you could sell it.)
I would have thought that with the economic devastation of this way of thinking so close by (i.e., former communist states), the EP would be more sensitive to the potential costs. It reminds me of that insipid mantra of the 1960s (“love means never having to say you are sorry” – what nonsense): eco-self-righteousness means making other people say they are sorry.

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By: John Panos https://www.aoiusa.org/green-patriarch-on-copenhagen/#comment-7844 Mon, 14 Dec 2009 23:07:38 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=5083#comment-7844 I think they don’t want it out there either. Embarrassment is expressed in many forms.

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By: Andrew https://www.aoiusa.org/green-patriarch-on-copenhagen/#comment-7843 Mon, 14 Dec 2009 22:54:44 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=5083#comment-7843 Funny, there is no mention of any of this on the GOA or EP website. We just spent a whole month hearing about the Green Patriarch and even playing the green Patriarch video game and hearing about his twitter feed and now there is silence at the big show in Copenhagen.

Is the trusty GOA internet/press department asleep at the wheel?

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By: Nick Katich https://www.aoiusa.org/green-patriarch-on-copenhagen/#comment-7842 Mon, 14 Dec 2009 22:50:48 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=5083#comment-7842 In reply to John Couretas.

The hot air itself that is being generated will raise temperatures at least two degrees.

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By: John Couretas https://www.aoiusa.org/green-patriarch-on-copenhagen/#comment-7841 Mon, 14 Dec 2009 22:25:28 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=5083#comment-7841 Source: the New South Wales Synod of the Uniting Church in Australia

Eastern Orthodox Christians are also concerned about climate change. Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew has convened a series of international symposia to study environmental problems generally and climate change specifically. His findings have led him to declare that climate change is “a profoundly moral and spiritual problem.” “We paternally urge every person to realise their responsibility and to do whatever they can to avert the increase of the earth’s temperature.”

Following the lead of Patriarch Bartholomew, the Rev. John Chryssavgis, from the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America, says that there is no longer room for negotiating with nature. “At the Copenhagen Summit, we must assume courageous initiatives in our attitudes to and treatment of the earth’s resources and assume generous leadership in supporting the burden of the poor.”

This blogger in Copenhagen says the “Ecumenical Patriarch of the Eastern Orthodox Church” is on the scene:

When Tutu finished speaking, we slowly wandered over to the cathedral, were an ecumenical service was to start. We didn’t make it into the church itself, but the university building across the road had opened its doors to people who wanted to watch the service projected onto screens.

Once again, I was blown away. Rowan Williams’ sermon was one of the best I’ve ever heard. One of our group said that it might be the most significant sermon since the reformation. This, said Williams, is first and foremost a question of choosing Love over fear. This is a crossroads. We (the churches) can continue to stumble around aimlessly as we have been for a few hundred years, or we can revolutionise the way we think about justice, peace and morality. Present at the service was the Ecumenical Patriarch of the Eastern Orthodox Church, Desmond Tutu, a group of Franciscans brothers and sisters, the queen and prime minister of Denmark, and doubtlessly other important people that I didn’t recognise. But more striking than any of these people were the presence of a dead coral plant, iceberg stones which should be buried under hundreds of feet of ice, and dried maize. These are the effects of global warming, and they are being felt first and foremost by the poor. It is time to change. It is time for the churches, as one body, to chant louder; ‘Yes, we can’, to put away our ridiculous prosperity gospels and focus on an invisible after life and to be the forerunners in the movements of social and climate justice.

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By: John Couretas https://www.aoiusa.org/green-patriarch-on-copenhagen/#comment-7839 Mon, 14 Dec 2009 20:31:21 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=5083#comment-7839 From Reuters, “Copenhagen summit carbon footprint biggest ever: report” (HT: Drudge):

Delegates, journalists, activists and observers from almost 200 countries have gathered at the Dec 7-18 summit and their travel and work will create 46,200 tonnes of carbon dioxide, most of it from their flights.

This would fill nearly 10,000 Olympic swimming pools, and is the same amount produced each year by 2,300 Americans or 660,000 Ethiopians — the vast difference is due to the huge gap in consumption patterns in the two countries — according to U.S. government statistics about per person emissions in 2006.

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By: John Couretas https://www.aoiusa.org/green-patriarch-on-copenhagen/#comment-7836 Mon, 14 Dec 2009 19:59:13 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=5083#comment-7836 Jay Richards on AEI’s Enterprise blog:


Religious Left is ‘Not Really Up’ on the Climategate Controversy

I’ve been searching, in vain, for comments on the Climategate controversy from vocal members of the religious Left. Although there have been hundreds of news stories on the leaked emails and documents from the Climatic Research Unit—and scores of millions of references on the Internet—religious environmental activists are acting as if nothing has happened. So far, we’re just getting giddy reports from or about Copenhagen (See here, here, here, here, and here, for examples.)

In an article about environmentalism and the Christian Left, however, Cliff Kincaid was able to get a comment from Walter Grazer. Grazer was director of the environmental justice program for the U.S. Catholic Conference of Bishops from 1993 to 2007 and is currently interim executive director of the National Religious Partnership for the Environment. Here’s what Grazer said: “I am really not up on that issue at all.”

I find that hard to believe, but perhaps the run-up to Copenhagen has not given Grazer and others any time to investigate the crumbling foundation of the UN’s power grab. When they get some downtime, though, they might start by reading this first-rate piece of investigative journalism in the UK Daily Mail (ignore its misdirecting title). It’s becoming increasingly untenable for religious leaders who say they want to bring moral reasoning to the environmental debate to ignore the pattern of misrepresentation and distortion by leading climate scientists.

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