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Comments on: Greek Orthodox Metropolis of San Francisco “emphatically denies” support for California bill https://www.aoiusa.org/greek-orthodox-metropolis-of-san-francisco-emphatically-denies-support-for-california-bill/ A Research and Educational Organization that engages the cultural issues of the day within the Orthodox Christian Tradition Fri, 15 Apr 2011 19:29:12 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.3.3 By: Scott Pennington https://www.aoiusa.org/greek-orthodox-metropolis-of-san-francisco-emphatically-denies-support-for-california-bill/#comment-19783 Fri, 15 Apr 2011 19:29:12 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=9705#comment-19783 In reply to Peter S. S..

“The measure is backed by California Church Impact, a group whose members include the Episcopal Church, the United Church of Christ, the Greek Orthodox Church and others. But lawmakers have been flooded with letters of opposition from groups including the California Catholic Conference, the First Southern Baptist Church and the Thousand Oaks Christian Fellowship.”

Strictly speaking, this statement is perfectly accurate. The Greek Orthodox Church is a member of California Church Impact which is backing the measure. That’s bad enough.

It is nice to hear that GOARCH is not explicitly backing the California Church Impact position and, in fact, has stated that this position is at odds with Orthodoxy. But the question then becomes, “Why let yourself be used as a legitimizing token for a pseudo-Christian front?” The answer we normally get is not too convincing. “We are there to witness the Orthodox faith to separated brethren.” Fine. Join “Claim the Blessing” too, or an organization of “Christians” for “choice”. Lots of witnessing needs to be done there. What’s the difference between those organizations which advocate unorthodox morality and CCI which advocates unorthodox morality? In a way, CCI and the WCC and NCC are worse. Claim the Blessing dares to be evil on one issue, as does, for example, Catholics for Choice. CCI/NCC/WCC dare to be evil on quite a few issues.

Lying down with dogs makes it highly likely you’ll catch fleas. This puts into focus the inherent foolishness of ecumenism. Does anyone in his right mind think we are convincing progressives to adopt Orthodox theology or morality? No. So apart from giving us prominence, does anything good result? No. Is it good to be perceived prominently as taking common cause with those who despise Christian morality? No.

So why in the world are Orthodox Churches members of these morally despicable organizations?

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By: Peter S. S. https://www.aoiusa.org/greek-orthodox-metropolis-of-san-francisco-emphatically-denies-support-for-california-bill/#comment-19773 Fri, 15 Apr 2011 11:28:53 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=9705#comment-19773 Terry Mattingly just recently posted about this on GetReligion if anyone is interested and would like to comment: http://www.getreligion.org/2011/04/greeks-back-gay-education-push/

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By: cynthia curran https://www.aoiusa.org/greek-orthodox-metropolis-of-san-francisco-emphatically-denies-support-for-california-bill/#comment-19772 Fri, 15 Apr 2011 04:27:24 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=9705#comment-19772 Gee, I misread this I thought it was talking about history not science.

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By: cynthia curran https://www.aoiusa.org/greek-orthodox-metropolis-of-san-francisco-emphatically-denies-support-for-california-bill/#comment-19771 Fri, 15 Apr 2011 04:21:15 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=9705#comment-19771 The contributions of indivduals in society should not be based upon whether they are gay or not. Why support a study of histroy based upon
sexuall practices.

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By: Kevin Allen https://www.aoiusa.org/greek-orthodox-metropolis-of-san-francisco-emphatically-denies-support-for-california-bill/#comment-19770 Thu, 14 Apr 2011 22:56:08 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=9705#comment-19770 Cynthia,

Your point?

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By: cynthia curran https://www.aoiusa.org/greek-orthodox-metropolis-of-san-francisco-emphatically-denies-support-for-california-bill/#comment-19682 Sun, 10 Apr 2011 03:13:48 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=9705#comment-19682 Well, there are people that might havw contributed that are gay. But his is not known. Take Roman history Suetonius claims almost all the first twevle Caesars were bisexaul but one doesn’t study the contributions of Augustus Caesar because he may had a few gay sexual encounters.

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By: Geo Michalopulos https://www.aoiusa.org/greek-orthodox-metropolis-of-san-francisco-emphatically-denies-support-for-california-bill/#comment-19671 Fri, 08 Apr 2011 18:42:01 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=9705#comment-19671 In reply to Chris Banescu.

Well done, indeed Fr. Although I fear that Harry is on to something, the fact that the GOA diocese in question corrected the assertion is a credit to them. And yes, Fr Hans and the AOI do deserve the credit regardless.

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By: Harry Coin https://www.aoiusa.org/greek-orthodox-metropolis-of-san-francisco-emphatically-denies-support-for-california-bill/#comment-19636 Thu, 07 Apr 2011 19:04:37 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=9705#comment-19636 In reply to Chris Banescu.

Yes. Still, unless those who published the wrong thing to millions publish the corrective press release: it’s only half a car. Has the Met. Of S.F. delivered the release and called the various big papers looking for a correction? If not, then it’s a gesture to critics, not meant to be effective where the damage was done. Much as there was no article (at least that I found) where the Met. in the newspapers up and down CA who published his positive signal for gay marriage published also his participation in a larger group retraction. The public’s idea of what the church is there I think goes un-corrected.

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By: Chris Banescu https://www.aoiusa.org/greek-orthodox-metropolis-of-san-francisco-emphatically-denies-support-for-california-bill/#comment-19628 Thu, 07 Apr 2011 17:25:32 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=9705#comment-19628 Another wonderful result by the relentless efforts of Fr. Hans! Hear, hear!!!

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By: Andrew https://www.aoiusa.org/greek-orthodox-metropolis-of-san-francisco-emphatically-denies-support-for-california-bill/#comment-19626 Thu, 07 Apr 2011 14:54:03 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=9705#comment-19626 The press release is most welcome! Looking at the California Council of Churches advocacy issues on their website there are certainly more than a few that are cause for concern. Just how much money is the Metropolis spending on dues and other support for this organization?

On another note, AOI as a news agency????? Father, you have come a long way……………..

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By: Harry Coin https://www.aoiusa.org/greek-orthodox-metropolis-of-san-francisco-emphatically-denies-support-for-california-bill/#comment-19624 Thu, 07 Apr 2011 14:13:21 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=9705#comment-19624 Welcoming the corrective press release, the matter of importance becomes: did the publications with large circulations and readership that printed the original mistake print the correction, or is the press release one released only to those upset– leaving the majority who read the original article with the wrongful impression?

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By: David Wooten https://www.aoiusa.org/greek-orthodox-metropolis-of-san-francisco-emphatically-denies-support-for-california-bill/#comment-19622 Thu, 07 Apr 2011 02:00:49 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=9705#comment-19622 Always good to see unambiguous leadership.

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By: John Panos https://www.aoiusa.org/greek-orthodox-metropolis-of-san-francisco-emphatically-denies-support-for-california-bill/#comment-19621 Wed, 06 Apr 2011 23:51:02 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=9705#comment-19621 Bravo, San Francisco!

Wasting no time with confusion, they set the record straight quickly. Thanks and well done.

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