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Comments on: George Demos: We Must Rebuild Orthodox Church at Ground Zero https://www.aoiusa.org/george-demos-we-must-rebuild-orthodox-church-at-ground-zero/ A Research and Educational Organization that engages the cultural issues of the day within the Orthodox Christian Tradition Wed, 18 Aug 2010 23:31:29 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.3.3 By: George Michalopulos https://www.aoiusa.org/george-demos-we-must-rebuild-orthodox-church-at-ground-zero/#comment-13378 Wed, 18 Aug 2010 23:31:29 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=7395#comment-13378 In reply to Isa Almisry.

good ole’ D’Souza!

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By: Isa Almisry https://www.aoiusa.org/george-demos-we-must-rebuild-orthodox-church-at-ground-zero/#comment-13332 Tue, 17 Aug 2010 10:43:40 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=7395#comment-13332 In reply to George Michalopulos.

Being scared of Tea Partiers is like being scared of Ward and June Cleaver.

LOL. They are scared by normalcy. As DiSouza points out, atheism is the opiate of the dissolute.

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By: Isa Almisry https://www.aoiusa.org/george-demos-we-must-rebuild-orthodox-church-at-ground-zero/#comment-13331 Tue, 17 Aug 2010 10:40:52 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=7395#comment-13331 In reply to John Panos.

And on the mosque, that’s the issue: whose money is talking?

Is there a petition or something bringing up the issue of St. Nicholas? I would think that we would get a LOT of support outside of the Orthodox on this matter, now that the mosque is such a hot topic.

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By: George Michalopulos https://www.aoiusa.org/george-demos-we-must-rebuild-orthodox-church-at-ground-zero/#comment-13328 Tue, 17 Aug 2010 01:38:20 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=7395#comment-13328 In reply to Chris.

agreed.

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By: Chris https://www.aoiusa.org/george-demos-we-must-rebuild-orthodox-church-at-ground-zero/#comment-13321 Mon, 16 Aug 2010 20:51:42 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=7395#comment-13321 Well since there seems to be another “leadership” vaccuum in the Orthdox Church here in the States, perhaps it’s time for His Beatitude to step in and take his rightful position. Let’s get Jonah+ on Fox.

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By: P D MacGuire https://www.aoiusa.org/george-demos-we-must-rebuild-orthodox-church-at-ground-zero/#comment-13314 Mon, 16 Aug 2010 17:34:40 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=7395#comment-13314 Wouldn’t it be nice if St Nicholas were rebuilt not as a Greek Orthodox Church, but as an AMERICAN Orthodox Church? Maybe if the GOA and OCA and Antiochian Dioceses all got together on this ONE point we could work a miracle of unity where all Orthodox could feel welcome.

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By: Tweets that mention George Demos: We Must Rebuild Orthodox Church at Ground Zero | AOI Observer -- Topsy.com https://www.aoiusa.org/george-demos-we-must-rebuild-orthodox-church-at-ground-zero/#comment-13313 Mon, 16 Aug 2010 17:06:17 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=7395#comment-13313 […] This post was mentioned on Twitter by George Demos, Golmer Flagellate. Golmer Flagellate said: @JoeTheMailman this rep is openly calling for us funds to rebuild a church at ground zero http://bit.ly/9uCzTd […]

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By: Chris https://www.aoiusa.org/george-demos-we-must-rebuild-orthodox-church-at-ground-zero/#comment-13295 Sun, 15 Aug 2010 22:14:48 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=7395#comment-13295 But do we really want to “ban” faith and/or faith structures in the US? I do not think this is the answer for once we get government involvement in such a way, they will inevitably ban everything else.

As far I see it. This issue is about location.

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By: Chris https://www.aoiusa.org/george-demos-we-must-rebuild-orthodox-church-at-ground-zero/#comment-13294 Sun, 15 Aug 2010 22:09:55 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=7395#comment-13294 In reply to George Michalopulos.

Islam is about the only disagreement I have with Ron Paul. But he isn’t a Libertarian by any means. The good thing is, however, that he also isn’t a contemporary liberal or neo-conservative.

A major point that I have with about half of the “Campaign for Liberty” folk is that they believe free market/captialism and Liberty means anarchy and godlessness. This couldn’t be further from the truth. A close study of Hayek and our Founders will show you that they weren’t against planning, they were against the planning that went against competition. They also believed that the only way Captialism could survive would be with a high level of morality, compassion, and mercy.

Something that we all lack more and more.

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By: George Michalopulos https://www.aoiusa.org/george-demos-we-must-rebuild-orthodox-church-at-ground-zero/#comment-13280 Sat, 14 Aug 2010 17:18:50 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=7395#comment-13280 In reply to Fr. John.

Fr John, one of the silver linings of 9-11, was that it is waking up many conservatives from their neo-con, Fukuyamaist, secularist. libertarian, and rationalist fantasies. (And this goes for some of the Buchananites and Ron Paul types who don’t understand the visceral hatred of Islam for the West.)

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By: Eliot Ryan https://www.aoiusa.org/george-demos-we-must-rebuild-orthodox-church-at-ground-zero/#comment-13271 Sat, 14 Aug 2010 15:15:42 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=7395#comment-13271 In reply to Fr. John.

We can start here

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/30/world/europe/30swiss.html

In a vote that displayed a widespread anxiety about Islam and undermined the country’s reputation for religious tolerance, the Swiss on Sunday overwhelmingly imposed a national ban on the construction of minarets, the prayer towers of mosques, in a referendum drawn up by the far right and opposed by the government.

The referendum, which passed with a clear majority of 57.5 percent of the voters and in 22 of Switzerland’s 26 cantons, was a victory for the right. The vote against was 42.5 percent. Because the ban gained a majority of votes and passed in a majority of the cantons, it will be added to the Constitution.

The Swiss Constitution guarantees freedom of religion, but the rightist Swiss People’s Party, or S.V.P., and a small religious party had proposed inserting a single sentence banning the construction of minarets, leading to the referendum.

The Swiss government said it would respect the vote and sought to reassure the Muslim population — mostly immigrants from other parts of Europe, like Kosovo and Turkey — that the minaret ban was “not a rejection of the Muslim community, religion or culture.”

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By: Fr. John https://www.aoiusa.org/george-demos-we-must-rebuild-orthodox-church-at-ground-zero/#comment-13270 Sat, 14 Aug 2010 14:08:02 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=7395#comment-13270 In reply to Eliot Ryan.

We ought to study how the Swiss rallied an effective resistance to Islam in this last year. How was the reality of the threat of Islamic supremacism conveyed in such a way that the Swiss, who have no cultural memories of a direct threat, could respond effectively?

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By: Fr. John https://www.aoiusa.org/george-demos-we-must-rebuild-orthodox-church-at-ground-zero/#comment-13269 Sat, 14 Aug 2010 13:57:17 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=7395#comment-13269 In reply to George Michalopulos.

Around these parts, Ward and June are hard to find. More like Clevis and Rev.Dr. Billy-Bob.
I hope we do not have to bag our tea in order to achieve a functional autocephaly here.
The thing is, I see no logical link between TEA and the Cordoba & St Nicholas issues. It would be impossible to make the argument that their ideology has any connection with core Catholic sensibilities, only that right-leaning Catholics are now on that same TEA wagon, the political-right flavor of the month.

But this is beside the point.

What matters is that justice is done in regard to the rebuilding of our church and that people in the West begin to understand how Muslims think, and quit this habit of seeing the world through Fukuyama’s coke-bottle-bottom lenses. We are not living in the end of history. Nor will the Rovererarian peyote hallucination that we are post-rational supermen no longer hampered by mere reality equip middle America to handle a shifting theological/political landscape in the XXI c. We must listen to intelligent voices who are honest about the significance of Islam and have no agenda to deceive. I suggest checking our Wally Shoebat and Ibn Warraq for instance.

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By: cynthia curran https://www.aoiusa.org/george-demos-we-must-rebuild-orthodox-church-at-ground-zero/#comment-13259 Sat, 14 Aug 2010 05:41:56 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=7395#comment-13259 Well, Roman Catholics had an advantage, the empire ended in the west around 473 I believe. The next century, the roman empire of Constantinople reconquered Italy and lost most of it to the Lombards and control some parts of Italy around 700. So, the west had a lot of kingdoms, no central empire like the East but after the Islamic conquest of the 7th century, the east was a smaller empire. A lot of the problem about the welfare state lies with christians not giving enough of their money or time whether their Orthodox, Roman Catholic or Protestant. Actually, I think Basil the Great developed one of the first hospitals without state or emperor money. Granted, the middle ages there wasn’t a strong tax base to built aqueducts like the old Roman Empire but the horse collar was developed that made farming more abundance than Roman times. I think that the government should only do things that are on a large scale like roads, waterways, dams, defense, courts, police and not being involved in developing things such as green technology.

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By: George Michalopulos https://www.aoiusa.org/george-demos-we-must-rebuild-orthodox-church-at-ground-zero/#comment-13183 Thu, 12 Aug 2010 15:55:52 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=7395#comment-13183 In reply to Chris.

P.S. I’ve attended a Tea Party and was impressed by the rectitude and normality of the people there. Just because the Insane Clown Posse over at MSNBC is frightened means that they’ve lost all perspective. Being scared of Tea Partiers is like being scared of Ward and June Cleaver.

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