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Comments on: Eastern Right: Conservative Minds Convert to Orthodox Christianity https://www.aoiusa.org/eastern-right-conservative-minds-convert-to-orthodox-christianity/ A Research and Educational Organization that engages the cultural issues of the day within the Orthodox Christian Tradition Thu, 15 Aug 2013 03:43:38 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.3.3 By: Fr. Johannes Jacobse https://www.aoiusa.org/eastern-right-conservative-minds-convert-to-orthodox-christianity/#comment-29680 Thu, 15 Aug 2013 03:43:38 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=11834#comment-29680 In reply to James Hart.

Many priests and bishops defend life in the womb and are outspoken against abortion. Just google “Orthodox Christians abortion” (look here).

I’ll answer the divorce topic later.

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By: James Hart https://www.aoiusa.org/eastern-right-conservative-minds-convert-to-orthodox-christianity/#comment-29677 Wed, 14 Aug 2013 22:32:46 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=11834#comment-29677 When Eastern Orthodoxy cares more about the unborn child in the womb (When have you heard an Orthodox bishop or priest speak publicly against abortion -“Thou shalt not kill”?), the indissolubility of Christian marriage (the Orthodox Churches permit divorce and remarriage which was strictly prohibited by Jesus – Gospel of Mark, Chapter 10.), and the sinfulness of same sex marriage, then we’ll talk.

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By: Eastern Right: Conservative Minds Convert | Kindred Apostolic Ministries https://www.aoiusa.org/eastern-right-conservative-minds-convert-to-orthodox-christianity/#comment-26486 Thu, 15 Nov 2012 07:30:12 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=11834#comment-26486 […] Eastern Right: Conservative Minds Convert Share this:TwitterFacebookLike this:LikeBe the first to like this. This entry was posted in Uncategorized. Bookmark the permalink. ← Previous Post […]

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By: M. Stankovich https://www.aoiusa.org/eastern-right-conservative-minds-convert-to-orthodox-christianity/#comment-24256 Mon, 11 Jun 2012 06:14:36 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=11834#comment-24256 This is my third return to read this post in the hope of finding something to which I can relate personally, when I find the labels “conservative” and “liberal” contrived, self-serving, purposely exclusionary, and offensive. Now, times three, it just seems to get worse.

I think about the excited words of Phillip to Nathaniel, “Come and see!” (Jn. 1:46); what the Disciples felt as they realized at Emmaus, “Did not our hearts burn within us, while he talked with us?” (Lk 24:32); the sheer violence of the Transfiguration that sent Peter, James, and John falling to their faces (Matt. 17:6); or the purely mundane “annoyance” of Fr. Alexander Schmemann, who scolded parents for removing a crying child from the chapel, calling it “holy noise,” and “for of such is the kingdom of heaven.” (Matt. 19:14). Instead, I read with a certain amount of awe at Mr. Dreher’s “gift” of the ability to serve up hesychasm without the stink of the monks and the Orthodox “way of seeing the world” without the bloody mouth of Maximus the Confessor who lost his tongue to opponents.Mr. Dreher offers up a sanitized Orthodoxy free of conflict, “innovation,” and presumably, “renovation,” and assumes the charcter of Theodore Metochites – “Everything that needs to have been said, has already been said” – probably for the better, because look what happened in the West. This would further suggest that if the West had just policed itself in the first place, the Orthodox could have quietly gone about their “ascetic rigor” under the radar; Mr. Dreher et al. would have continued, as the Service for the Reception of a Convert notes, in their “former delusion.” And what I find most disturbing about this essay is its smiling-jack appeal: “Conservatives, we are like you, and we think like you.” We are a good match. Nothing to offend your sensibilities here: everything Catholicism “once was,” no overbearing Papacy, and at least in DC, no homosexuals.

My thought is that Mr. Derher was asleep at the wheel for Holy Week and Pentecost and missed the Orthodox Church at its most radical, demanding, and forthright: “real men” will be “crying and holding each other” as the Master, not mildly seated upon the foal of an ass, but as we also read for Palm Sunday, comes seated on a white horse in blood-soaked garments, “for the day of vengeance is in my heart, and the year of my redeemed has come.” (Isa. 63:4); when the Master is not attempting to engage us in a “mystical encounter” but disturb us: “”Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword,” (Mt 10:34) paraphrasing the prophet, “[In that day] do not trust your friends or have hope in guides; beware even her that lies at your bosom, and tell her nothing, for a man’s enemies are the men that are in his own house.” (Micah 7:5-6); and, as St. Chrysostom notes, He tells them “The violent take [the kingdom] by force” (Mt. 11:12) to stir them up to a force of mind, and also by saying, “He that has ears, let him hear!” Beloved Professor S.S. Verhovskoy taught that we are called, one and all, to be Ezekiels “with a bone in your hand.”

This is not “a rich new source of spiritual and cultural renewal,” or “the organically grown wisdom of the past.” This is the radical, uncontainable, unrestrainable Energy of the Father that is and ever will be. And if St. Dionysius would say it is so beyond our comprehension that better we should say it is not, who would refer to it as “Conservative?” And but a week ago, we celebrated the Spirit, “Fire proceeding from Fire,” “acting, working, inspiring,” the means by which we articulate and re-articulate the gifts and wisdom and knowledge richly poured out on us. And while all gifts may have been “given,” it does not mean they are completed, accomplished, understood, exercised, or exhausted. “The Spirit goes where He wishes,” wrote St. Andrew of Crete, and our labels and categories are arrogant limitations to contain what will never be contained.

We are radicals, Mr. Dreher, in every sense of the word, and our “theosis” will be accomplished every bit by force as by “ascetic silence.” If you need to sell, sell the whole package: “Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and today, and forever.” (Heb. 13:8)

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By: Geo Michalopulos https://www.aoiusa.org/eastern-right-conservative-minds-convert-to-orthodox-christianity/#comment-24211 Fri, 08 Jun 2012 01:30:39 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=11834#comment-24211 In reply to AC.

The demonic always wins, until it loses.

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By: Fr. Johannes Jacobse https://www.aoiusa.org/eastern-right-conservative-minds-convert-to-orthodox-christianity/#comment-24200 Thu, 07 Jun 2012 03:31:57 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=11834#comment-24200 In reply to AC.

I didn’t write the article, Rod Dreher did. You can post on his site by following the link in the article.

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By: AC https://www.aoiusa.org/eastern-right-conservative-minds-convert-to-orthodox-christianity/#comment-24194 Wed, 06 Jun 2012 14:37:34 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=11834#comment-24194 Father Johannes,

You write in the article above:

“And while Orthodox theology does not face the radical revisionism that has swept over Western churches in the past decades, there are nevertheless personalities and forces within American Orthodoxy pushing for liberalization on the homosexual question. And in some parishes—including St. Nicholas OCA Cathedral in Washington, D.C.—they are winning victories.”

Wow — that is a big bombshell but there is no follow up. I don’t think you can write this in a prominent Orthodox blog site without any supporting or backup evidence or describe what you mean. Most of us have no idea what you even mean. For those of us who don’t live in DC or don’t worship at St Nicholas, what’s going on at St Nicholas and what are the victories that they are winning there?

Thank you

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By: Wesley J. Smith https://www.aoiusa.org/eastern-right-conservative-minds-convert-to-orthodox-christianity/#comment-24192 Wed, 06 Jun 2012 05:29:41 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=11834#comment-24192 It is interesting that in my parish, where most of us are converts, there are about as many politically conservative people as liberal. But we all share a yearning for authentic Christianity, the Church as it was designed to be (if you will). And most of us are quite stunned that we were led to Orthodoxy.

Thus, I think it is safe to say that while it is true that most converts are religiously conservative in that sense, that isn’t necessarily a synonym for politically conservative.

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By: cynthia curran https://www.aoiusa.org/eastern-right-conservative-minds-convert-to-orthodox-christianity/#comment-24180 Tue, 05 Jun 2012 16:11:50 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=11834#comment-24180 Well, true its good the Orthodox are not in bed with the Republican Pary as much as Evangelicals but too many of the Orthodox are in bed with the Democratic party. And as Mark Krikorian who writes a lot on immirgation states those that feel like strangers and are not apart of American Culture tend to be Democratics which is probably a good reason why Orthodox as a group are Democratic and Democratics pushed for the progressicve agenda which means that Orthodox will be more interested in what the Green Patriach is doing. Also, I believe in some parts of the Us Islam is actually larger do to immirgation. And the anti-west feelings of Orthodox that see history as the Western Europeans as the Villians and the Orthodox areas as the heros makes Orthodox not that effective in conservative circles in the west or in the States. Not that I think you have to be always pro-west or pro-US but being anti- alot does not help.

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By: Conservative Minds Convert To Eastern Orthodoxy : St. George Church of Prescott https://www.aoiusa.org/eastern-right-conservative-minds-convert-to-orthodox-christianity/#comment-24179 Tue, 05 Jun 2012 14:56:10 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=11834#comment-24179 […] HT: American Orthodox Institute /* […]

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By: Stones Cry Out - If they keep silent… » Things Heard: e224v2 https://www.aoiusa.org/eastern-right-conservative-minds-convert-to-orthodox-christianity/#comment-24178 Tue, 05 Jun 2012 13:48:20 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=11834#comment-24178 […] Of Conservatism and Orthodoxy. […]

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By: Tuesday Highlights | Pseudo-Polymath https://www.aoiusa.org/eastern-right-conservative-minds-convert-to-orthodox-christianity/#comment-24177 Tue, 05 Jun 2012 13:47:52 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=11834#comment-24177 […] Of Conservatism and Orthodoxy. […]

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By: Orthodox Collective https://www.aoiusa.org/eastern-right-conservative-minds-convert-to-orthodox-christianity/#comment-24173 Tue, 05 Jun 2012 00:58:02 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=11834#comment-24173 Nothing But Orthodoxy☦ var pulltime = 'Tue, 05 Jun 2012 00:47:18 +0000';1) Eastern Right: Conservative Minds Convert to Orthodox Christianityhttps://www.aoiusa.org/eastern-right-conservative-minds-convert-to-orthodox-christianity/By Fr. [...]]]> […] Pick it up!☦Nothing But Orthodoxy☦ var pulltime = 'Tue, 05 Jun 2012 00:47:18 +0000';1) Eastern Right: Conservative Minds Convert to Orthodox Christianityhttps://www.aoiusa.org/eastern-right-conservative-minds-convert-to-orthodox-christianity/By Fr. […]

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