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Comments on: Christian Environmentalism that ‘Costs me Nothing’ https://www.aoiusa.org/christian-environmentalism-costs-nothing/ A Research and Educational Organization that engages the cultural issues of the day within the Orthodox Christian Tradition Sun, 24 Jun 2012 01:01:56 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.3.3 By: Patriarch Bartholomew Coddles Environmental Extremists - AOI Observer https://www.aoiusa.org/christian-environmentalism-costs-nothing/#comment-24490 Sun, 24 Jun 2012 01:01:56 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=11924#comment-24490 […] author’s name) that describes the ideas of presenters at Patriarch Bartholomew’s recent two-day Halki summit. I find the choice of speakers troubling. You may too. The speakers proceed from premises inimical […]

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By: Geo Michalopulos https://www.aoiusa.org/christian-environmentalism-costs-nothing/#comment-24489 Sat, 23 Jun 2012 22:12:38 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=11924#comment-24489 In reply to Andrew.

Great video, Andrew!

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By: Geo Michalopulos https://www.aoiusa.org/christian-environmentalism-costs-nothing/#comment-24488 Sat, 23 Jun 2012 22:11:46 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=11924#comment-24488 In reply to Philipa Alan.

Philipa, too bad they didn’t think about borrowing the money to build a soup kitchen or medical clinic.

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By: Chris Banescu https://www.aoiusa.org/christian-environmentalism-costs-nothing/#comment-24487 Sat, 23 Jun 2012 22:05:57 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=11924#comment-24487 In reply to John Couretas.

Someone should let the Phanar know that even the godfather of the Global Warming movement, James Lovelock, has criticized the radical elements in the environmental movement who continue to promote climate change hysteria, falsehoods, and “sustainability drivel” while ignoring science and reality.

Lovelock admits that:
(a) he had been unduly “alarmist” about climate change and was incorrect about his doomsday predictions due to anthropogenic gas emissions,
(b) the green religion is now taking over from the Christian religion,
(c) the so-called ‘sustainable development’ … is meaningless drivel … We rushed into renewable energy without any thought. The schemes are largely hopelessly inefficient and unpleasant.

Godfather of Global Warming Criticizes Climate Change Hysteria
http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/blog/2012/06/godfather-of-global-warming-criticizes-climate-change-hysteria/

You know it’s bad when the Ecumenical Patriarch promotes such climate change foolishness and “drivel”, while a prominent leader of the environmentalist movement represents the voice of reason and objectivity in the Climate Change debates. Stunningly, Lovelock displays greater moral clarity, wisdom, and insight into the dangers of the fanatical aspects of the Green movement — whose religious overtones and leadership works to undermine Christianity — than an Orthodox hierarch.

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By: Michael Bauman https://www.aoiusa.org/christian-environmentalism-costs-nothing/#comment-24486 Sat, 23 Jun 2012 21:52:17 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=11924#comment-24486 In reply to Michael Bauman.

Here is a link to the article on-line: http://digital.turn-page.com/i/70685

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By: cynthia curran https://www.aoiusa.org/christian-environmentalism-costs-nothing/#comment-24485 Sat, 23 Jun 2012 21:31:06 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=11924#comment-24485 I think some of the very left thinking of Orthodox leaders goes back to the fact that the Byzantine Empire was a land aristocracy. Poor farmers who fell into debt this was common to the Byzantine Empire and the Roman Empires and usually the wealthly brought out the land. The Byzantines sometimes took the property that the wealthy had taken from the poor and return it to the former owners. The Romans by the first century B.C. created colonies from Public Land that the Roman State got in conquest. Corinth was one of these Roman Colonies since the Romans had destroyed the city in the 2nd century and by the first century it was a Roman Colony were Veterans and the Urban Poor were planted to farm the land. Granted, the Romans didn’t solved it with colonies since many of the rural poor had moved to the major cities and were underemployed hence the free grain or reduce grain. The Byzantine emperors which had a lot of farm land in the early years in particular could have given or sold off some of their land to solved the debt farm problem wihout taking from the rich since the emperors and empresses usually had more land or estates than most rich people during most of the empire until the later centuries when the aristocratics did.

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By: Michael Bauman https://www.aoiusa.org/christian-environmentalism-costs-nothing/#comment-24484 Sat, 23 Jun 2012 21:12:15 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=11924#comment-24484 Just read an article in a small local and rural advertising paper called the Rural Messenger. The author commented on the devastation of the western part of the Unitied States brought on by a combination of radical evirnonmentalism, anti-growth governmental policies and bureaucratic ineptitude. They have combined to create a situation that has left much of the west a tinder box full of a lot of tinder as well as greatly reduced means to fight the fires that ensue. Not to mention the destruction of the economies. He perdicted there could well be a massive, multi-state wild fire as a consequence that would be virtually uncontrollable.

The idea that man does not have dominion over the earth results in things going greatly wrong. The idea that the earth is God’s first is central to that dominion and genuine ascesis. It is never simply the exercise of our own will as the degradation of the Biblical message to many accept would have you believe. I’ll bet one could search quite awhile in the Patriarch’s speeches to find any positive reference to man’s dominion. Whenever we ago against the created hierarchy, we reap disaster for ourselves, but it sure feels good at the time–just ask Eve and Adam.

Orthopraxis is the way(which includes evangelization), but what the GP is preaching is not it. IMO, it is part of the fruit of 560 years of subjection to Islam that has bread subservience to the state as well as institutional and personal corruption. The abused almost always seeks power and contol over others and in turn abuses those he can.

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By: cynthia curran https://www.aoiusa.org/christian-environmentalism-costs-nothing/#comment-24483 Sat, 23 Jun 2012 20:57:42 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=11924#comment-24483 are not.

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By: cynthia curran https://www.aoiusa.org/christian-environmentalism-costs-nothing/#comment-24482 Sat, 23 Jun 2012 20:55:55 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=11924#comment-24482 Well, WCC was founded by liberal Protestants why is it that conservative protestans are called heretics but liberal protestants who are a lot more heretics they sometimes don’t even believe in the resurrection of Christ are note.

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By: Fr. Johannes Jacobse https://www.aoiusa.org/christian-environmentalism-costs-nothing/#comment-24481 Sat, 23 Jun 2012 20:38:03 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=11924#comment-24481 In reply to John Couretas.

The EP, WCC and others on the religious left employ the language of the European Socialist but dress it in religious garb. They live off the wealth of those they disdain for creating it.

Don’t forget that the Ecumenical Patriarch supported the Copenhagen Protocols which would have put the national economies of Europe under the control of Brussels bureaucrats. That efforts was stillborn when the East Anglia leaks revealed the corruption of global warming advocates. (See: More evidence that the EP’s global warming stance was reckless.) Thank God for a free press.

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By: cynthia curran https://www.aoiusa.org/christian-environmentalism-costs-nothing/#comment-24479 Sat, 23 Jun 2012 20:28:26 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=11924#comment-24479 Well, Greece could lower some of the high unemployment by being like Isreali deport the illegal immirgants that take jobs away. Granted, that’s not the whole problem. Try more grow programs like nearby Turkey which once was growing at 8 percent granted, Turkey per capita income is still low.

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By: Chris Banescu https://www.aoiusa.org/christian-environmentalism-costs-nothing/#comment-24478 Sat, 23 Jun 2012 19:15:11 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=11924#comment-24478 In reply to John Couretas.

The Phanar seems to be living in a make-believe world defined by leftist ideology, socialist policies, and radical-environmentalist propaganda. Meanwhile he remains mostly silent on the issues of abortion, same-sex civil unions (can’t call it marriage since it violates the very definition of “marriage”), the pro-homosexual agenda brainwashing children and society in general, the assault on religious liberties, especially the persecution of Christians growing in Europe, Canada, and the US, the glorification of euthanasia, and the devastating consequences of moral failures and communist policies by the political class that are destroying families, bankrupting businesses, impoverishing the people, and bringing about the fiscal collapse of entire countries. He sure has his priorities “straight”!

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By: John Couretas https://www.aoiusa.org/christian-environmentalism-costs-nothing/#comment-24475 Sat, 23 Jun 2012 17:40:57 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=11924#comment-24475 According to a June 22 report from Ecumenical News International (ENI), the Ecumenical Patriarchate has been “playing an active role” in concert with the World Council of Churches at Rio+20, “the People’s Summit.” It was called the people’s summit, I think, because the UN brought 45,381 attendees and almost 100 world leaders to Brazil for an event that Greenpeace has described as “an epic failure.”

“In the end, this conference was a conference to decide to have more conferences,” according to the AP writer who covered Rio+20.

The AP also noted:

Some of the biggest issues activists wanted to see in the document that didn’t make it in included a call to end subsidies for fossil fuels, language underscoring the reproductive rights of women, and some words on how nations might mutually agree to protect the high seas, areas that fall outside any national jurisdictions.

Did the Phanar lodge a formal objection to the “reproductive rights” push? The ENI report doesn’t say. But Russia joined with the Vatican to “eliminate any mention of ‘reproductive rights’ —- a term commonly used to refer to legal abortion—from the final report of the UN conference.”

What we do know is that the Phanar turned up in Rio with the same talking points on climate change and “unlimited growth” that it’s been using for 20 years.

Elias C. Abramides of Argentina, from the Ecumenical Patriarchate, highlighted that the WCC’s interest in international negotiations on sustainability and environment is based on bringing to the negotiation tables the principles of ethics, equity and justice, according to ENI. “This principled approach has simultaneously guided the WCC’s advocacy on climate change negotiations,” he said.

Abramides stressed that the ecumenical movement has spoken about sustainable communities and societies rather than talking about sustainable development. “The current development model includes the notion of unlimited growth, which has provoked the current ecological crisis,” he concluded.

A panel on “Climate Justice: Creation and Responsibility” was also held on June 16 in the Religions for Rights tent. Churches are advocating at the United Nations for “concrete and effective responses to the suffering of the whole creation.” The role of the Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew I in preserving the environment and addressing climate change was highlighted.

Unlimited growth? Here’s a list of 2011 GDP growth rates by nation. Guess which country comes in dead last? Yes, Greece, the nation that has suffered greatly with a contracting economy for years. Does the Phanar know that the Eurozone has been on the brink of a massive fiscal meltdown for months? Here are some significant countries in the ranking: 162, Ireland, 1.1%; 171, Spain, 0.7%; 172, Italy, 0.6%; 174, Cyprus, 0%; 185, Greece, -6%. (the U.S. on this list was ranked at 159, 1.5%).

Youth unemployment in places like Greece and Spain is hovering around 50 percent (no economic growth, no job creation). Young people are desperate to get out of these countries where their future is bleak. In Greece, people are standing in breadlines. And the Greek statistical agency is forecasting a 6 percent GDP contraction again this year. Tourism is down 12 percent.

Some 30 percent of Greeks, a proud people, are now living below the poverty line.

And the Phanar shows up in Rio to deliver lectures about “unlimited growth”?

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By: Andrew https://www.aoiusa.org/christian-environmentalism-costs-nothing/#comment-24472 Sat, 23 Jun 2012 13:40:52 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=11924#comment-24472 In reply to Nick Katich.

Nick, how sad is it that outreach and evangelism is only 0.9% of the total operating budget for the entire Archdiocese. Philanthropy is indeed ZERO. Way to go 79th Street! Omogenia before Orthodoxy!

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By: Nick Katich https://www.aoiusa.org/christian-environmentalism-costs-nothing/#comment-24470 Sat, 23 Jun 2012 11:23:02 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=11924#comment-24470 Isn’t this criticism a bit harsh. After all, the Archdiocese has a very active Department of Philantropy. Here is a description of its mandate: http://www.goarch.org/archdiocese/departments/philanthropy. Is it not most impressive that in carefully reviewing the Archdiocesan proposed $25,000,000 budget for 2013 and 2014, respectively, they have budgeted $0.00 for the Department of Philantropy and $505,000.00 for “Greek Education and Culture”? Here is the budget: http://www.goarch.org/archdiocese/clergylaity/2012/Reports/final-goa-2013-2014-budget-proposal-for-clc.pdf. Let’s moderate this criticism in light of these facts!

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