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Comments on: Catholic Politicians Who Attack Church Should Remember God’s Judgment https://www.aoiusa.org/catholic-politicians-who-attack-church-should-remember-gods-judgment/ A Research and Educational Organization that engages the cultural issues of the day within the Orthodox Christian Tradition Mon, 26 Mar 2012 03:08:44 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.3.3 By: cynthia curran https://www.aoiusa.org/catholic-politicians-who-attack-church-should-remember-gods-judgment/#comment-23643 Mon, 26 Mar 2012 03:08:44 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=11466#comment-23643 I mean if only her life is endanger.

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By: cynthia curran https://www.aoiusa.org/catholic-politicians-who-attack-church-should-remember-gods-judgment/#comment-23641 Mon, 26 Mar 2012 03:04:14 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=11466#comment-23641 Well, I think Basil’s Law Code in the 9th century address that abortion can be done if the mother’s life is endanger. In fact, I have never seen any orthodox discuss either the Theodosian Code, or Justinian Code or Basil’s code in regard to abortion mainly Protestants.

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By: cynthia curran https://www.aoiusa.org/catholic-politicians-who-attack-church-should-remember-gods-judgment/#comment-23639 Mon, 26 Mar 2012 02:50:30 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=11466#comment-23639 Well, the Republican polticians are not perfect either which makes it easier for someone to vote for Obama with his hardline on abortion. Reading Gore Vidal recently the left has a hatred for rich people that isn’t rational which is another reason to opposed the Democratic party even if the Republicans like Grover Norquist like to keep the tax credits to support the Agri-business that some people like be close. Personality, you could rise taxes by closing loopholes on people like Buffett without directly rising taxes.

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By: Fr. Johannes Jacobse https://www.aoiusa.org/catholic-politicians-who-attack-church-should-remember-gods-judgment/#comment-23636 Mon, 26 Mar 2012 00:48:03 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=11466#comment-23636 In reply to Chris Banescu.

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By: Fr. Peter https://www.aoiusa.org/catholic-politicians-who-attack-church-should-remember-gods-judgment/#comment-23372 Wed, 15 Feb 2012 03:14:27 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=11466#comment-23372 Historically speaking, every government that has become Socialist or Communist has removed the church from the equation. The Church is the moral compass of a society and if that is removed then the government can do what it wants. Just ask the Christians in Eastern Europe!

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By: Deconstructing an “Internal Contradiction” in the GOA - AOI Observer https://www.aoiusa.org/catholic-politicians-who-attack-church-should-remember-gods-judgment/#comment-23367 Tue, 14 Feb 2012 23:16:54 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=11466#comment-23367 […] an immediate cultural context. In our case the defense of human life is that context (Mark Hodges stated it beautifully) since the defense of life is at the heart of all our problems. Put in theological terms it means […]

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By: Catholic Politicians Who Attack Church Should Remember God’s Judgment | OrthodoxNet.com Blog https://www.aoiusa.org/catholic-politicians-who-attack-church-should-remember-gods-judgment/#comment-23366 Tue, 14 Feb 2012 18:36:47 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=11466#comment-23366 […] HT: AOI […]

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By: Father Mark Hodges https://www.aoiusa.org/catholic-politicians-who-attack-church-should-remember-gods-judgment/#comment-23362 Tue, 14 Feb 2012 17:53:10 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=11466#comment-23362 Father Hans, thank you for writing the truth. My fervent hope and prayer is that our Orthodox bishops *do* take notice. We have so many genuine, well-intentioned hierarchs, and I hope those “who have ears to hear” will listen! Prolifers knew from the start what was coming from any administration so devoted to killing preborn children (even already *born* children, literally, as IL Sen. Obama championed the murder of any innocent child who survived an attempted abortion). Too many of our Orthodox faithful, however, were “duped” (as Fr Peter Preble put it) by the world, the flesh and the Devil that they could not (or would not) see the signs of the times. And too many remain so.

To be sure, we have enemies; there are wolves among the sheep. But I like to think that the vast majority of those who, for instance, vote for any so-called “prochoice” politician, are well-intentioned, just weak in the Faith (including the Ecumenical Patriarch). And I like to think this weakness is not all their fault, but the cumulative product of decades of worldly lies. (So in a sense it is all our faults for the shameful degree we have all become worldly.) What we need to focus on then, in reaching our own who have been “duped,” including our clergy and hierarchs, is helping them see the modern disconnect between what we profess we believe is God’s revealed goodness for all mankind, and what we’re actually doing (or not doing) / saying (or not saying) about it, out of that same love for mankind (and ourselves). Our actions prove what our beliefs *really* are. So, for example, if we profess the Church’s teaching that abortion is murder and harms the mother & father as well as kills the child, irreparably harms society and destroys the souls of those involved, we would speak and act and vote according to the gravity of the issue, if we genuinely believe and if we genuinely love our neighbor.

But so many of our beloved brothers and sisters in the Orthodox Church have been brought up in mindsets that are either no longer true or no longer applicable in the modern context. Any political party, for instance, that supports killing the most innocent and vulnerable citizens, is no longer “the people’s party.” How can a politician be considered someone defending “the little guy” if s/he fights to slaughter the littlest? But for so many, what our parents taught us is difficult to go against, even in the face of modern facts.

I take heart that many Orthodox have finally made a healthy disassociation between their nationality and their Christianity. It took decades too long, and some are still trapped in phyletism (still promoting Hellenism as the salvation of the world), but many have come to appreciate their ethnicity while not enshrining it as Co-Redemptrix. The same thing now must happen with political loyalties and ideologies. Our allegiance must be with Christ and His Church, following His teachings, and conforming our thinking to His Word and His Direction, over and above anything else.

So I think it is equally true for the faithful vis-a-vis others *within* the Church as well as without it, that “The Enlightened are called to Enlighten.” This we must do, of course, both by personal example and by speaking out. And we must keep in mind the admonition of St Paul, that in correcting our brother we be humbly ready to be corrected for our own sins as well!

As for the wolves among the sheep, we cannot expect our words to fall on anything except deaf ears. All we can do is pray for them personally –because the root of their being wolves is a deep internal struggle which they are currently losing– pray for Jesus to soften their hearts. They are not open to our words or example or even to Christian reason. As St Paul says, “There have to be factions among you in order that those who are genuine among you may be recognized.” May Christ have mercy on them and bring them (and us) to repentance!

Fr Mark Hodges
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By: Anil Wang https://www.aoiusa.org/catholic-politicians-who-attack-church-should-remember-gods-judgment/#comment-23359 Tue, 14 Feb 2012 16:29:42 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=11466#comment-23359 The key problem is that Hell just isn’t talked about in homilies. God is love, but the love spoken of is more often is affection and “niceness” rather than self-sacrifice or total self-donation for the sake of the other. As a result, Catholic politicians aren’t worried about judgment since “God’s a nice guy and makes no demands on us”.

The following cartoon highlights the problem:
http://swordofpeter.blogspot.com/2012/01/st-francis-true-story.html

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By: Chris Banescu https://www.aoiusa.org/catholic-politicians-who-attack-church-should-remember-gods-judgment/#comment-23358 Tue, 14 Feb 2012 16:17:07 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=11466#comment-23358 AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!

“Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness’ sake, For theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are you when they revile and persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely for My sake. Rejoice and be exceedingly glad, for great is your reward in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you.” (Matthew 5:10-12)

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