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Comments on: Catholic Online: An Orthodox Priest Reflects on the Retirement of Pope Benedict XVI https://www.aoiusa.org/catholic-online-an-orthodox-priest-reflects-on-the-retirement-of-pope-benedict-xvi/ A Research and Educational Organization that engages the cultural issues of the day within the Orthodox Christian Tradition Fri, 08 Mar 2013 23:24:23 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.3.3 By: Geo Michalopulos https://www.aoiusa.org/catholic-online-an-orthodox-priest-reflects-on-the-retirement-of-pope-benedict-xvi/#comment-27490 Fri, 08 Mar 2013 23:24:23 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=12535#comment-27490 In reply to Fr. Johannes Jacobse.

Agreed

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By: Geo Michalopulos https://www.aoiusa.org/catholic-online-an-orthodox-priest-reflects-on-the-retirement-of-pope-benedict-xvi/#comment-27489 Fri, 08 Mar 2013 23:24:08 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=12535#comment-27489 In reply to James Bradshaw.

What the Nazi platform stated and what Nazi philosophers believed were diammetrically opposed. Most of the luminaries within Naziism were occultists and/or neo-pagans. In the traditional society of the Germany of the Weimar Republic, it would have been impossible for the Nazi Party to gain a foothold if it had honestly shown its pagan/occult face.

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By: Tonia Palmer https://www.aoiusa.org/catholic-online-an-orthodox-priest-reflects-on-the-retirement-of-pope-benedict-xvi/#comment-27407 Sun, 03 Mar 2013 17:01:05 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=12535#comment-27407 In reguards to the reflection shared here by Fr. Johannes L. Jacobse, I find his thoughts insightful, hopeful and a reflection of my own. I say this as a Roman Cathlic. Thank you for you words Father.

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By: Fr. Johannes Jacobse https://www.aoiusa.org/catholic-online-an-orthodox-priest-reflects-on-the-retirement-of-pope-benedict-xvi/#comment-27294 Tue, 26 Feb 2013 02:47:14 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=12535#comment-27294 In reply to James Bradshaw.

Totalitarianism has to destroy Christianity because it requires total subservience to the state. It cannot succeed otherwise.

Secular Jews tend toward utopian grand schemes much like secular Christians which we saw in the early years of the Bolshevik Revolution. Marxism is properly understood as a Christian heresy and therefore extremely attractive to the secularized mind whether Christian or Jew. Solzhenitsyn discussed these questions in his book “Two Hundred Years Together” which refutes the easy but historically inaccurate conclusion you draw above.

Two Hundred Years Together

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By: cyntha curran https://www.aoiusa.org/catholic-online-an-orthodox-priest-reflects-on-the-retirement-of-pope-benedict-xvi/#comment-27242 Fri, 22 Feb 2013 06:03:00 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=12535#comment-27242 Although the persecution of Jews was perhaps at its worst under the Nazi regime (and its most violent), Jews have historically been targeted for harsh and unjust treatment by men still revered today as leaders of the Christian faith. Bishop Ambrose of Mediolanum opposed any efforts in acknowledging the civil rights of Jews as being equal to Christians. Chrysostom had a whole series of sermons that denigrated the Jews in the strongest language of the day Chrysostom sometimes used hard lanaguage but he wasn’t anti-Jew for his time. He didn’t support the burning of syngogoues which some christians at the time had done according to Paul Johnson history. And for Ambrose of Milan he didn’t want to use church money to built a synogogue that was burn down by a christian mob while the Emperor Theodosius thought you should. Also, Jews had use violent against Christians in this period and well but Jews by the age of Justinian became second class citizens under the law, they couldn’t have someone testify in their favor but they had to testify for a christian and they could not own christian slaves. Jews could not have service in Hebrew but Greek or Latin or Syraic or Copic. Jews had seized control of Yeman in the early 6th century and killed some christains. The Sarmartians revolt in Palestine against Justinian and Justin the second killed and enslaved Jews and Sarmartians that were involved in it. Sarmartians were force to convert by having their synogogues converted to Churches.

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By: James Bradshaw https://www.aoiusa.org/catholic-online-an-orthodox-priest-reflects-on-the-retirement-of-pope-benedict-xvi/#comment-27218 Thu, 21 Feb 2013 04:24:14 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=12535#comment-27218 In reply to Michael Bauman.

Michael states: “I have never understood the mindset that sees any correlation between Nazi Fascist totalitarianism and any form of Christianity”

I don’t either. I don’t see any sort of mandate in Scripture to restrict the rights of nonbelievers or heretics or to otherwise harm them or destroy their property (not that I’d heed them if there were). Somehow, though, what seems obvious to us now apparently escaped the attention of our Christian ancestors for centuries. Really, one just needs to pick up a history book.

Although the persecution of Jews was perhaps at its worst under the Nazi regime (and its most violent), Jews have historically been targeted for harsh and unjust treatment by men still revered today as leaders of the Christian faith. Bishop Ambrose of Mediolanum opposed any efforts in acknowledging the civil rights of Jews as being equal to Christians. Chrysostom had a whole series of sermons that denigrated the Jews in the strongest language of the day.

Martin Luther was perhaps the most notorious anti-Semite. He insisted that rabbis should not be permitted to teach or travel and had sought the forced expulsion of Jews from German lands (as they had been in France and Spain). There are references to Luther having their synagogues and homes burned to the ground. In Spain, Jews were forced into Catholic baptisms during the early 15th century. There are numerous other examples, but I think you get the point.

Were they influenced by some secular spirit of their age? I don’t have an answer for that. However, I don’t think anyone can pretend that having a society dominated by Christian belief and thought will somehow guarantee against totalitarianism or fascism, given the evidence.

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By: Michael Bauman https://www.aoiusa.org/catholic-online-an-orthodox-priest-reflects-on-the-retirement-of-pope-benedict-xvi/#comment-27206 Wed, 20 Feb 2013 18:58:09 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=12535#comment-27206 Mr. Bradshaw, I have never understood the mindset that sees any correlation between Nazi Fascist totalitarianism and any form of Christianity. Are you willing to believe anything put out by the propaganda machine of the Nazi state? The Soviet Constitution also guaranteed freedom of worship and yet thousands of Christians died in the gulag.

The fascist ethos is an attempt to embrace the will to power promulgated by Nietzche who was adamantly opposed to Christianity while quite willing to use, as Hitler, degenarate forms of it for his own purpose. The mere fact that there were some people who called themselves Christians and supported Hitler proves only that people are quite able to turn aside from Christ to serve other gods.

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By: Bill Congdon https://www.aoiusa.org/catholic-online-an-orthodox-priest-reflects-on-the-retirement-of-pope-benedict-xvi/#comment-27185 Tue, 19 Feb 2013 15:52:30 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=12535#comment-27185 In reply to James Bradshaw.

Mr. Bradshaw, notice how the 1920 statement coopts Christian identity in favor of its anti-Jewish and statist views. As for Nazi praxis, there is no possible connection between it and the Gospel.

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By: Bill Congdon https://www.aoiusa.org/catholic-online-an-orthodox-priest-reflects-on-the-retirement-of-pope-benedict-xvi/#comment-27184 Tue, 19 Feb 2013 15:47:46 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=12535#comment-27184 In reply to wesley j. smith.

The Catholic Church isn’t “roiled” by the Pope’s resignation, unless you count the predictable cries from the left for a new Pope who would accomodate to leftist views. But these cries emerge from un-Catholic — and often un-Christian — voices.

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By: James Bradshaw https://www.aoiusa.org/catholic-online-an-orthodox-priest-reflects-on-the-retirement-of-pope-benedict-xvi/#comment-27149 Sun, 17 Feb 2013 12:22:45 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=12535#comment-27149 “Pope Benedict understood this acutely, no doubt because of his first-hand experience with Nazism and the barbarity it unleashed in Western Europe”

While it might be fair to suggest that the Nazi regime utilized a perverse and twisted form of “true” Christianity as the basis for its ideology, I don’t think it can fairly be said that it was primarily one that was atheistic and hostile towards Christian expression (unlike the regimes such as the ones found in China).

Article 20 of the 1920 Nazi Platform read:
“We demand the freedom of all religious confessions in the state, insofar as they do not jeopardize the state’s existence or conflict with the manners and moral sentiments of the Germanic race. The Party as such upholds the point of view of a positive Christianity without tying itself confessionally to any one confession. It combats the Jewish-materialistic spirit at home and abroad and is convinced that a permanent recovery of our people can only be achieved from within on the basis of the common good before individual good.”

One can do a simple search to find now infamous photos of Catholic clergy alongside Goebbels and Wilhelm Frick. Even if the men had no real allegiance to the Reich, it seems that the regime itself had an interest in using Christian symbolism and authority to justify its actions.

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By: Cyril https://www.aoiusa.org/catholic-online-an-orthodox-priest-reflects-on-the-retirement-of-pope-benedict-xvi/#comment-27138 Sun, 17 Feb 2013 01:11:07 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=12535#comment-27138 Well said, Fr. Johannes. Many years to Benedict XVI!

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By: wesley j. smith https://www.aoiusa.org/catholic-online-an-orthodox-priest-reflects-on-the-retirement-of-pope-benedict-xvi/#comment-27117 Fri, 15 Feb 2013 16:51:36 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=12535#comment-27117 Watching the roiling this has caused to the CC, I see the wisdom of the original way still followed by Orthodoxy, in which no bishop is the one and only and all are equal. Our way may be messy at times, but it also allows key personalities to enter and leave the stage without huge disruption. I agree with the writer’s hope that talks continue. The issues that divide us are far less serious than the common threats we face.

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