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Comments on: Bishop Savas to head GOA Office of Church and Society https://www.aoiusa.org/bishop-savas-to-head-goa-office-of-church-and-society/ A Research and Educational Organization that engages the cultural issues of the day within the Orthodox Christian Tradition Wed, 04 Mar 2009 17:27:58 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.3.3 By: George Michalopulos https://www.aoiusa.org/bishop-savas-to-head-goa-office-of-church-and-society/#comment-2859 Wed, 04 Mar 2009 17:27:58 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=1124#comment-2859 John, Amen. Fr Hans, Amen. As someone who cherishes his Greek heritage, it never fails to astound me how the Greek churches (EP/Greece/Alexandria) don’t seem to care about the holocaust of abortion. It is a travesty with which their hierarchs will have to account to the Lord for on the Day of Judgment.

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By: Chris Banescu https://www.aoiusa.org/bishop-savas-to-head-goa-office-of-church-and-society/#comment-2846 Mon, 02 Mar 2009 17:47:47 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=1124#comment-2846 The issues which the new “Office of Church and Society” will focus on first will be a good indicator of what current moral, societal, and cultural problems and concerns Bishop Savas and Archbishop Demetrios consider important. Their priorities and level of commitment in publicly addressing these issues in a meaningful and morally clear manner will provide the Orthodox world with a barometer of the direction this new office will take and the fruits it will bear.

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By: Roger Wm. Bennett https://www.aoiusa.org/bishop-savas-to-head-goa-office-of-church-and-society/#comment-2842 Sun, 01 Mar 2009 12:17:25 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=1124#comment-2842 This Office sounds like a sinecure. It doesn’t even rise to the level of trying to be “relevant to people’s felt needs” except the need of journalists for sound bites from some Church.

Such faux relevance will indeed tend toward irrelevance on the enduring issues. I say that not from deep knowledge of GOA history, but from 40 years of observing the entropy of Church hierarchies generally.

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By: John Couretas https://www.aoiusa.org/bishop-savas-to-head-goa-office-of-church-and-society/#comment-2841 Sat, 28 Feb 2009 21:50:57 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=1124#comment-2841 Wesley: Thanks very much for the correction. Post amended. John

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By: Fr. Johannes Jacobse https://www.aoiusa.org/bishop-savas-to-head-goa-office-of-church-and-society/#comment-2840 Sat, 28 Feb 2009 21:46:50 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=1124#comment-2840 A great threat to the survival of Greece is their astronomical abortion rates. Greece has the highest abortion rate and the highest negative growth rate of European countries. Yet the Church remains silent (both on the morality and practical consequences) of abortion except in the most superficial ways.

Why is it that every Orthodox leader is clear (and compassionate) on this issue except Patriarch Bartholomew, Archbishop Demetrios, and the Metropolitans of the GOA? Is it fear of offending the pro-abortion politico’s? What happens when Sen. Snowe and cohorts start writing policy for, say, euthanasia (not a far-fetched idea if Obama’s desire to nationalize health care takes hold)? Do they remain silent there as well? Most likely, yes. They said nothing about Sens. Snowe’s and Sarbannes support of partial birth abortion, so there no reason to believe they will muster the moral courage their office requires when the challenges get even harder.

I wish Bp. Savas well, but I fear that like so many efforts to engage culture in the GOA, topics will be elevated that skirt around, and ultimately sublimate, the important issues, and no question that challenges the policy of the Greekification of the GOA will be tolerated.

I have come to the same conclusion John made above: All the current talk about “Hellenism” doesn’t really concern the theological and philosophical contribution of the ancients to Orthodoxy Christianity. Rather, in the present context, “Hellenism” is a euphemism that justifies the political and economic interest of the Greek State and their partners (that’s why the concept of “diaspora” is important). Tying it into the legacy of Hellenism — a gambit made apparent by the most recent incantation that posits Hellenism alongside Orthodoxy (“Hellenism and Orthodoxy,” – contra the Cappadocians)* — is historical revisionism** of the first order. Call it the Megali Idea of the Second Millennium.

Maybe this is why we are seeing such poor leadership, at least in areas that matter.

*The Cappadocians of course synthesized Hellenistic and Orthodox thought. All Orthodox Christians are “Hellenized” regardless of jurisdiction or country of origin. Hellenism was “resolved” in Orthodoxy in other words, thus the current claim that a Hellenism exists alongside Orthodoxy (“Hellenism and Orthodoxy”) doesn’t speak of historical Hellenism, but something else.

**This historical revisionism posits two tracks; trace them backwards and one ends up in Jerusalem, and the other at Mt. Olympus. Thus, we need to ask: does distinction between “Hellenism” and “Orthodoxy” (historically artificial), in fact aid and abet the forces of secularism?

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By: Wesley J. Smith https://www.aoiusa.org/bishop-savas-to-head-goa-office-of-church-and-society/#comment-2838 Sat, 28 Feb 2009 19:50:09 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=1124#comment-2838 John: A slight factual correction that does not diminish the thrust of your post: The Obama Adm., through the Dept. of Health and Human Services, announced a rule making process which could revise or rescind the Bush Rule. That will take time and people and groups will have the opportunity for input. So technically, the conscience clause remains in effect.

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