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Comments on: Bartholomew I to Japan and the World: Enough Nuclear Energy https://www.aoiusa.org/bartholomew-i-to-japan-and-the-world-enough-nuclear-energy/ A Research and Educational Organization that engages the cultural issues of the day within the Orthodox Christian Tradition Fri, 25 Mar 2011 19:12:44 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.3.3 By: Yikes! The Russians are coming! The Russians are coming! — Monomakhos https://www.aoiusa.org/bartholomew-i-to-japan-and-the-world-enough-nuclear-energy/#comment-19340 Fri, 25 Mar 2011 19:12:44 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=9450#comment-19340 […] current Patriarch of Constantinople. Not only was the Riverboat Cruise a major bust, but even his recent ill-advised statements on the disaster in Japan passed without any comment whatsoever. This is stunning. Even the pastor […]

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By: Scott Pennington https://www.aoiusa.org/bartholomew-i-to-japan-and-the-world-enough-nuclear-energy/#comment-19120 Thu, 17 Mar 2011 15:39:13 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=9450#comment-19120 In reply to Macedonia74.

Macedonia,

I’m not even sure it’s about spreading the “faith” for the Phanar. I have always wondered if there was not a pure financial and political calculation behind: The Phanar’s “Green-ness” and the RCC’s and the OCA’s opposition to the death penalty. Allow me to explain.

Think of the Church, for a moment, as a business, a business built on profit. Now, if you take a look at America and Western Europe, you’ll notice a culture war going on – – moreso here than in Europe. So, you might surmise, there are both conservatives and liberals in our church. Convert parishes tend to be more morally conservative than that of predominantly cradle parishes, but nonetheless, on the whole, unfortunately, the variety of opinion in the church reflects that of the general public.

So the question becomes, “How do we preserve and expand market share?”. Well, you try to give the people what they want. “Find out what’s selling and then make sure you have truckloads of it.” as my father used to say.

Now, moral conservatism (albeit a very moderate form) is in vogue among a broad swath of the American public, perhaps 30% or so. And Orthodoxy is inherently quite conservative (moreso than perhaps some Americans would find immediately appealing, hence modernist Orthodoxy, a compromise to accomodate American sensibilities). But what about the rest of the potential customers? Can’t let them get away.

Ah!!!! Perhaps there are things in liberal thinking we can incorporate into Orthodoxy (or Roman Catholicism) which would draw them in. We have pretty icons and moving music. It’s the conservatism that turns some off so perhaps we can exhibit some liberalism too. Then they can soothe their consciences with the notion that, “the Orthodox (or the RCC) are good about some things and the rest we can ‘work on’ (a/k/a, ‘change the church from within’)”.

This, I suspect, is the mentality that is animating this behavior in the Phanar, the OCA and in the RCC. Crass commercialism.

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By: Macedonia74 https://www.aoiusa.org/bartholomew-i-to-japan-and-the-world-enough-nuclear-energy/#comment-19115 Wed, 16 Mar 2011 15:15:24 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=9450#comment-19115 I think we can acknowledge the “truth” in the EP+ statments with regards to being conservative and minimalist. And yes, their is perhaps some “arrogance” in how we deal with the environment. But, I think this is a far cry in how he has overtaken this campaign as a means to garner national attention. It would also be a fair analysis to say that it is also not prudent to run on the neo-conservative campaign in response. We are faced with a serious need of discernment – we need to be vigilant.

This is an example of how NOT to spread the faith.

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By: Geo Michalopulos https://www.aoiusa.org/bartholomew-i-to-japan-and-the-world-enough-nuclear-energy/#comment-19088 Tue, 15 Mar 2011 01:57:42 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=9450#comment-19088 In reply to Andrew.

Andrew, also please notice that there was no looting at all in Japan. The stoic courage of these people is a blessing to all mankind. As for using this tragedy to push an ideological point, I am most saddened.

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By: Eliot Ryan https://www.aoiusa.org/bartholomew-i-to-japan-and-the-world-enough-nuclear-energy/#comment-19087 Mon, 14 Mar 2011 20:40:43 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=9450#comment-19087 In reply to Fr. John A. Peck.

The wise counsel of Elder Paisios might be of help.

Father Paisios was once asked about the end of times and the difficulty Christians who refuse to use credit cards (or whatever will be in use) stamped with the mark of satan, will encounter concerning food.

He replied that for Christians used to a little bread and and a couple of olives there will be no problem. There will be a problem though for those Christians who are used to having 5 different types of cheeses on their table when they dine.

Some claim that millions of people live good and faithful Christian lives without ever fasting. Fasting requires reasonable precautions and preparation.

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By: Andrew https://www.aoiusa.org/bartholomew-i-to-japan-and-the-world-enough-nuclear-energy/#comment-19086 Mon, 14 Mar 2011 20:02:30 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=9450#comment-19086 I would also like to point out the right now the people of Japan are giving a brave and heroic example to the world about humility and order in the face of suffering. Is there rioting or looting in Japan? The resolve and humility shown is a Gospel lesson beyond words and the ultimate example for all of during this Lenten season.

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By: Fr. John A. Peck https://www.aoiusa.org/bartholomew-i-to-japan-and-the-world-enough-nuclear-energy/#comment-19084 Mon, 14 Mar 2011 19:30:15 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=9450#comment-19084 If we are going to abandon Nuclear, as HAH suggests, then they’d better start drilling in the USA again right now.

Truth is alternative ‘fuels’ could not handle a sliver of a fraction of the energy required just to heat our homes in the spring, let alone transport food and medicine to our stores.

I would love to live without nuclear power, but I’d rather not let millions die and starve instead.

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By: Eliot Ryan https://www.aoiusa.org/bartholomew-i-to-japan-and-the-world-enough-nuclear-energy/#comment-19083 Mon, 14 Mar 2011 19:05:13 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=9450#comment-19083 In reply to Chris Banescu.

This is obviously anti-nuclear activism, totally disconnected from the issues that currently affect people’s lives in Japan and focused on abstract global problems and hypotheticals. In Japan hundreds of thousands people are homeless and millions without food, water, power or heating in near-freezing temperatures.

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By: Andrew https://www.aoiusa.org/bartholomew-i-to-japan-and-the-world-enough-nuclear-energy/#comment-19079 Mon, 14 Mar 2011 17:21:06 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=9450#comment-19079 In reply to Chris Banescu.

Chris, I agree 100%. The Green Patriarch isn’t really “Green” at all. He is the Poverty Patriarch because the policies he endorses such as this call end to Nuclear Energy will result in the spread of poverty around the world. There is no utopia. There is no world without risk. 20.2% of electricity in the USA is produced by Nuclear Energy. How do you replace this?

Btw, how many Mercury filled CFL lightbulbs broke during the Earthquake? Should we ban those too?

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By: Scott Pennington https://www.aoiusa.org/bartholomew-i-to-japan-and-the-world-enough-nuclear-energy/#comment-19078 Mon, 14 Mar 2011 17:00:41 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=9450#comment-19078 From the Wall Street Journal:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704893604576198421680697248.html

And from John Stossel:

http://reason.com/archives/2010/04/01/what-we-know-that-isnt-so

Apparently, the problem with nuclear reactors isn’t that they’re inherently dangerous, it’s that private investors won’t put up the money for them without extensive government guarantees on the investment. It seems that banks don’t think that nuclear power plants are a profitable investment.

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By: Tom https://www.aoiusa.org/bartholomew-i-to-japan-and-the-world-enough-nuclear-energy/#comment-19077 Mon, 14 Mar 2011 16:47:48 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=9450#comment-19077 In reply to George Patsourakos.

The Chernobyl reactor was an extremely faulty reactor. It was cooled by only water, and used graphite to moderate the neutrons in the fission reaction. This meant that with a loss of water, the fission reaction at Chernobyl increased uncontrollably. It basically became a dirty bomb.

The Chernobyl design was only possible in the Soviet system. Nobody uses reactors like that anymore, and the Japanese create especially hardened and contained reactors.

Stop the fear mongering.

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By: John https://www.aoiusa.org/bartholomew-i-to-japan-and-the-world-enough-nuclear-energy/#comment-19076 Mon, 14 Mar 2011 16:42:57 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=9450#comment-19076 In the face of praise of our Patriarch from various quarters for this “brave” statement, dare I state that this Greek Orthodox layman is more than a little disappointed and confused?

The issue that hits me with seismic force in this tragedy is that of human suffering – of the sudden and violent deaths of many thousands of innocent human beings at the mercy of the winds and waves which are controlled by our loving and merciful God. Certainly this is not an issue for me alone – it is probably the most fundamental and powerful weapon atheists use in their polemics against Christian faith. On this enigma – at least in this statement (which will get all the international media attention) – our Patriarch is basically AWOL. ”Dude, bummer, can’t help you there…”

Yet though God’s actions in nature are apparently unfathomable here, Bartholomew seems to be saying that the threat of reactor meltdowns is quite another thing. Huh? Who is this personified “nature” who is capable of being insulted and provoked, and who turns “her” back on human beings? I’m sure I’ve never encountered her in Orthodox Christianity. Is our God not equally capable of controlling outcomes in the world of technology – indeed, in ANY aspect of His creation?

It sounds to me as if our Patriarch is not so brave after all, perhaps even trying to dissemble a bit. We “insiders” in Orthodoxy are to understand that God actually HAS punished thousands of innocent people for their insolence in daring not to be “green”. (wink, wink) But for the rest of the world, let’s just vaguely attribute the punishment to – what? – nature? Gaia? That will resonate well with the European new agers, I suppose. If he were to pin this overtly on God, Bartholomew would sound too much like an American fundamentalist preacher, and that would be jarringly dissonant with his carefully-constructed image of a wise old green Dumbledore, with his archaic but harmless spirituality.

Frankly, this is not remotely the episcopal comfort and teaching I had hoped to hear. Not that what I hope for is what is best for me. But I also doubt that this will ease the misery and recovery of our beloved brothers and sisters in Japan at this time of great tragedy. As well-timed as this sound bite might be for maximum press coverage, and for its resonance with the general green “told you so” anti-nuclear pile-on, this is no time to wag the finger at a stricken nation for their embrace of what was presented to them as reasonable, clean energy. Current solar/wind/wave energy technologies are nowhere near adequate for Japan’s huge population and available natural resources.

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By: Tom https://www.aoiusa.org/bartholomew-i-to-japan-and-the-world-enough-nuclear-energy/#comment-19075 Mon, 14 Mar 2011 16:42:26 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=9450#comment-19075 This is silly, and makes me cringe with embarrassment.

The Japanese had prepared their reactors for the strongest earthquake they could reasonably expect – an 8.2 quake. And these reactors are so heavily contained that even if they melt down, there won’t be any significant release of radiation into the atmosphere.

Japan is an example of how nuclear power can be done correctly. They build extremely well-engineered power plants on a very seismically active island, and even in a worst case scenario like this quake there still won’t be any significant problems.

But that doesn’t prevent certain groups from taking advantage of the current hysteria to further their own agenda. And it’s very disappointing that His All Holiness seems to believe in the fantasy of constant technological progress that will allow us to come to some utopia of risk-free energy.

This explains very well why the reactors will remain contained.

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By: Chris Banescu https://www.aoiusa.org/bartholomew-i-to-japan-and-the-world-enough-nuclear-energy/#comment-19073 Mon, 14 Mar 2011 16:36:46 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=9450#comment-19073 Using such a terrible tragedy and disaster to advance a political agenda is disgusting and beyond contempt. Shame on the Patriarch for seeing in this catastrophe an opportunity to “score points” with the radical environmentalist crowd and promote his “green patriarch” image.

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By: George Patsourakos https://www.aoiusa.org/bartholomew-i-to-japan-and-the-world-enough-nuclear-energy/#comment-19072 Mon, 14 Mar 2011 16:34:20 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=9450#comment-19072 I agree with Patriarch Bartholomew that Japan — and indeed the entire world __ must abandon the use of nuclear energy. I remember the leakage from a nuclear center in Chernobyl, Ukraine about 25 years ago, which resulted in the deaths and permanent illness of hundreds of Ukrainians. Nuclear energy is just not worth the life-threatening risks that it can lead to.

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