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Comments on: “Apocalypse” Averted https://www.aoiusa.org/apocalypse-averted/ A Research and Educational Organization that engages the cultural issues of the day within the Orthodox Christian Tradition Wed, 18 Jan 2017 13:51:06 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.3.3 By: Charles https://www.aoiusa.org/apocalypse-averted/#comment-283458 Wed, 18 Jan 2017 13:51:06 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=14785#comment-283458 In reply to Fr. Johannes Jacobse.

Huh? Goodness, what alot of words. Sounds like a clanging symbol. I think we should stick with what Christ said, love your neighbor. Plus I think we lost out on a great President with Hillary Clinton. Trump? One needs to turn a blind eye with that guy. He thinks of himself and his kids, that’s it.

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By: Misha https://www.aoiusa.org/apocalypse-averted/#comment-282428 Wed, 11 Jan 2017 19:05:28 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=14785#comment-282428 In reply to Frank Kaputa.

At some point one really commits. In the future, it is likely to be a commitment to Islam or to Christianity.

The problem we have with Islam is that by its own internal logic it is programmed, sooner or later, to force the world to submit to the will of its god. But Christianity has a different theology. Christians understand God differently. A Christian who sincerely holds his faith cannot but believe that Islam has a diabolical origin because it denies the divinity of Christ. Islamic eschatology is a mirror image negative of Christian eschatology.

The die is cast. There can be no peace with Islam on this side of war. Christians did not invent Islam. It’s not our fault.

Someone else did.

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By: Michael Bauman https://www.aoiusa.org/apocalypse-averted/#comment-280623 Fri, 30 Dec 2016 16:50:41 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=14785#comment-280623 In reply to Frank Kaputa.

Islam, especially Sunni Islam and Wahhabi Islam should not only mocked but condemned.

Islam is not equivalent in any way, spiritually, intellectually or socially to traditional Christianity.

And if you think Fr. Alexander imprudent perhaps you should read Fr. Zakaria, a Coptic priest with a fatwa on him because of his constant “defamation” of the prophet. Still, he leads many to Christ by reading from the Koran and historical Islamic sources that show the actions and character of Mohammed.

There are many God loving Muslims whom Jesus is calling out of that puddle of lies and deception and violence.

Where is your condemnation for their lack of the Kumbaya spirit?

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By: Michael Bauman https://www.aoiusa.org/apocalypse-averted/#comment-280489 Fri, 30 Dec 2016 00:53:54 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=14785#comment-280489 Chris: I have been in the sales end of health insurance for 20 years. I have learned two things: it is a tough type of business to price and under write; government involvement usually makes it worse.

We are all to blame for the mess due to unrealistic expectations, less than honest administration, political ideology and a dysfunctional economy that fundamentally does not value people.

I am glad your parents were helped but that was never the intent of Obamacare. The help they got is an accident not by design.

I am in the trenches everyday with having to offer really bad coverage for premium prices. No one feels confident in their decisions. More and more folks are being trained to expect less and less to gladly take what ever the government offers saying “Yessa master, thank you massa” as we do so. We frogs are being boiled. It makes me feel frustrated, unhappy and mad.

We will see what happens but do not trust anything the media says–nothing from any source. It will be lies and damned lies.

God provides. Not the government. Governments are only good at taking stuff and killing people never in creation of anything positive. If the government can find away to make something worse, it will.

Lord have mercy.

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By: cynthia https://www.aoiusa.org/apocalypse-averted/#comment-278346 Wed, 21 Dec 2016 04:30:12 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=14785#comment-278346 In reply to Frank Kaputa.

Ever heard of the Central American countries dealing with their violent and poverty. Some central Americans are paid 2.00 hour to work in a factory. I worked in a factory for 3.5 per hour back in the early 1980’s. The Central American countries need a welfare state to provide food so their people don’t come to the US as much.

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By: cynthia https://www.aoiusa.org/apocalypse-averted/#comment-278345 Wed, 21 Dec 2016 04:27:31 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=14785#comment-278345 In reply to Christopher Keller.

Well, Mexico is a middle income country far from the poorest. Mexico should be made to care for their own people instead of coming to the US since the rural areas are poor. In fact Mexicans now make 3.5 to 4 an hour in a factory. I only made 3.5 in a factory way back in the early 1980’s. So, I will not support the Mexican migrants when they have a country to return. In fact I support Donald Trump making the Mexican government have more of a food stamp welfare in their country for the millions of poor folks instead of coming to El Norte. There are also millions of Mexicans that come the legal way who wait 10 years to come to the US.

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By: Chris https://www.aoiusa.org/apocalypse-averted/#comment-277120 Fri, 16 Dec 2016 14:30:09 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=14785#comment-277120 Father, which all due respect I think you’re not giving considering to the problems that might arise during a Trump presidency. As an example, both of my parents were recently laid off, which means no more health insurance. They got a letter from Cobra which to continue coverage would require them to pay $1,600 a month! If it wasn’t for Obamacare, they would be in a very difficult place right now. However, with McConnell already wanting to “repeal and not replace right away”, I’m very concerned that they and 20 million Americans are going to suffer like it used to be before 2010. If my sister doesn’t get her required medications, she could die. Even if the GOP doesn’t remove Obamacare right away, I can very easily see where they’ll kick away the tax credits and subsidies towards it which will make rates go up even more.

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By: Frank Kaputa https://www.aoiusa.org/apocalypse-averted/#comment-275976 Sun, 11 Dec 2016 03:12:13 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=14785#comment-275976 We disagree and should leave it at that.

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By: Fr. Hans Jacobse https://www.aoiusa.org/apocalypse-averted/#comment-275944 Sat, 10 Dec 2016 21:40:17 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=14785#comment-275944 In reply to Frank Kaputa.

Saying “love is indiscriminate” and saying love means all distinctions are collapsed are two different things although you seem to be conflating the two. One must love all but the expression of that love requires maturity, sobriety, and good judgment. You gave the example of the refugee crisis (created in large part by American intransigence in the world, BTW) and presumably affirm the idea that borders should be wide open and all comers welcomed without distinction. Doing so however has opened up a flood of new problems since some refugees are creating violence in Europe and elsewhere that you say they are ostensibly fleeing from in their home countries.

Distinctions matter. Without them sometimes you end up making bad situations even worse. Appeals to charity don’t justify bad results. Here’s an example of how counter-productive the ‘Christian love’ you defend can be:

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By: Frank Kaputa https://www.aoiusa.org/apocalypse-averted/#comment-275919 Sat, 10 Dec 2016 17:49:09 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=14785#comment-275919 Love is indiscriminate. We cannot pick and choose who is our neighbor. Our neighbor is the man in the parable who was beaten, the refugees fleeing violence in Syria, the immigrants fleeing wretched conditions in Central America. I pray for more love and less discrimination in the world.

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By: Fr. Johannes Jacobse https://www.aoiusa.org/apocalypse-averted/#comment-275911 Sat, 10 Dec 2016 16:48:43 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=14785#comment-275911 In reply to Frank Kaputa.

“Love your neighbor” does not mean “collapse all distinctions.” When the lawyer asked Jesus, “Who is my neighbor?” after being told to love his neighbor, Jesus responded with the Parable of the Good Samaritan which featured a Levite who passed by on the other side. The Levite was misapplying a dictate of the Mosaic Law, a distinction evident to the Jews of the day although less evident to us, and one the revealed that love is the heart of the Law. Love then, is not indiscriminate, it requires distinctions. Further, drawing distinctions is not the same thing as condemnation because Jesus did not condemn the Levite.

Distinctions are necessary. Collapsing them under a confused notion of what constitutes obedience to God (like the Levite) blinds us to what real love is.

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By: Frank Kaputa https://www.aoiusa.org/apocalypse-averted/#comment-275907 Sat, 10 Dec 2016 16:23:05 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=14785#comment-275907 I find it troubling that this article fosters wild speculations, mocks Islam, and turns a blind eye to the refugee crisis. Christ’s message was extremely simple: Love your neighbor. This article is not Christ-like.

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By: Fr. Johannes Jacobse https://www.aoiusa.org/apocalypse-averted/#comment-275334 Wed, 07 Dec 2016 15:19:48 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=14785#comment-275334 In reply to David.

A very good caution David. This election is a reprieve, a chance to get our house in order.

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By: David https://www.aoiusa.org/apocalypse-averted/#comment-275329 Wed, 07 Dec 2016 14:51:04 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=14785#comment-275329 Interesting piece of speculation— and not without insight. However, one might caution every serious Biblical Christian to not, thus, exhale and go back to sleep in the absence of a Democrat regime. The same public trends (and the public is always the main issue) still exist, and merely wait for their representatives in legislatures, executive and judicial offices. Christians have much salting and leavening to do…

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By: Christopher Keller https://www.aoiusa.org/apocalypse-averted/#comment-275217 Wed, 07 Dec 2016 03:40:04 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=14785#comment-275217 In all respect Fr. Alexander, if the best efforts of the pagan Roman emperors could not bring an end to Rome, neither Clinton nor Trump are likely to end our republic, as contrary to Christian values as both of their policies may be.

Life, Marriage, Liberty–these are of course essential. Clinton is simply wrong on these issues, and morally culpable for it.

Yet with Donald Trump in charge of the most powerful nation on earth, our own country, we need to work to ensure the good of all people in our country by ensuring we continue to have strong governing institutions (as they have been directly attacked)–and particularly seek the good of the weak (including Mexican migrants and Syrians, among others).

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