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Comments on: American Psychological Association Course Correction: Sexual Orientation and ‘Gender Identity’ Not Fixed After All https://www.aoiusa.org/american-psychological-association-course-correction-sexual-orientation-and-gender-identity-not-fixed-after-all/ A Research and Educational Organization that engages the cultural issues of the day within the Orthodox Christian Tradition Fri, 04 Jan 2019 12:24:57 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.3.3 By: Ruth https://www.aoiusa.org/american-psychological-association-course-correction-sexual-orientation-and-gender-identity-not-fixed-after-all/#comment-314233 Fri, 04 Jan 2019 12:24:57 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=14628#comment-314233 In reply to Sharon Petrakou.

Let’s hope not. The man was a pedophile. Paid other pedophiles to abuse children.

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By: Mortimer Goldman https://www.aoiusa.org/american-psychological-association-course-correction-sexual-orientation-and-gender-identity-not-fixed-after-all/#comment-289624 Wed, 15 Mar 2017 07:25:57 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=14628#comment-289624 Listen to Dr. Diamond as she talks about how her research got completely distorted by anti-gay groups.

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By: Misha https://www.aoiusa.org/american-psychological-association-course-correction-sexual-orientation-and-gender-identity-not-fixed-after-all/#comment-283810 Fri, 20 Jan 2017 18:48:28 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=14628#comment-283810 What it really all boils down to is that we’re all created straight and might later be turned by some trauma, such as being raped by man while still a little boy. It is the shock/trauma or PTSD of that experience that induces a psychosis of self-hatred/shame. The self-hatred/shame establishes homosexuality/pedophilia. It replicates by subsequent rape. At least that seems to be the case for males. As for women, I tend to see it as a separate phenomenon having to do with ideology and the absence of alpha males in the girl or woman’s experience.

Yeah, that’s the bottom of it.

Perhaps the victim’s superego becomes hypercharged, abusive and violative and the victim begins to enjoy the humiliation, self-hatred and shame. That would be Betty. Bruce would be the one in whom the full psychosis develops where one becomes one’s superego, enjoying inflicting the humiliation, self-hatred and shame on a victim.

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By: Fr. James Rosselli https://www.aoiusa.org/american-psychological-association-course-correction-sexual-orientation-and-gender-identity-not-fixed-after-all/#comment-283702 Fri, 20 Jan 2017 00:05:33 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=14628#comment-283702 In reply to Sharon Petrakou.

The academically acceptable articles in Wikipedia are footnoted. In environments where Wikipedia still isn’t acceptable, alla student needs to do is isolate the footnotes and use them, instead. I always allowed my students to cite Wikipedia, as long as the articles were as well-cited as one would expect from any other article, and the student’s own paper reflected a good personal grasp of the subject matter.

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By: Triplexity https://www.aoiusa.org/american-psychological-association-course-correction-sexual-orientation-and-gender-identity-not-fixed-after-all/#comment-283115 Mon, 16 Jan 2017 10:58:34 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=14628#comment-283115 I think you missed the gist here.
“Individuals with nonexclusive patterns of attraction are indisputably the ‘norm'” actually means: “if you feel attraction to the same sex the same way as to the opposite sex—it’s totally normal”. In no way she implies that orientation could be changed or that conversion therapy works. In other words, she is saying that it’s okay to be gay. What else could you expect from an LGBT activist? And BTW, the fluid sexuality concept was expressed by Freud already in 1905.

There’s a huge amount of evidence (e.g. Krafft-Ebing’s clinical archive) that homosexual inclinations are determined by tainted heredity and/or prenatal maldevelopment. Whether such inclinations will manifest or not depends mostly on environmental factors. In addition to that, several researches revealed structural cerebral differences between homo- and heterosexuals, as well as other physiological distinctions (e.g. ,body odor). Therefore, ignoring congenital biological basis at least in certain part of homosexuals is obscurant and unscientific. One thing is certain: a sound individual will never feel attraction to the same sex, no matter the environment.

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By: Sharon Petrakou https://www.aoiusa.org/american-psychological-association-course-correction-sexual-orientation-and-gender-identity-not-fixed-after-all/#comment-270283 Thu, 17 Nov 2016 01:12:07 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=14628#comment-270283 In reply to Sophia.

When my children were at university Wikipedia wasn’t considered to be a valid source.

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By: Sharon Petrakou https://www.aoiusa.org/american-psychological-association-course-correction-sexual-orientation-and-gender-identity-not-fixed-after-all/#comment-270282 Thu, 17 Nov 2016 01:10:54 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=14628#comment-270282 In reply to James Bradshaw.

Has Kinsey’s research been replicated? If so, where?

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By: Sophia https://www.aoiusa.org/american-psychological-association-course-correction-sexual-orientation-and-gender-identity-not-fixed-after-all/#comment-263894 Tue, 04 Oct 2016 06:03:00 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=14628#comment-263894 In reply to Joe A.

Individuals who experience same-sex attraction will decide for themselves what they want to do about it, but this deceptive use of science has been used to prevent those who want therapeutic assistance to change from getting that help. Five states, Washington, D.C., and some major cities have passed laws prohibiting therapy that is open to change for minors. So far, 20 states and the US Congress have rejected such laws or allowed them to die. But every year, these laws are reintroduced and have to be battled again at great effort and cost by individuals who have to pay their own expenses to go testify before legislatures, while the big gay activist organizations raise hundreds of millions of dollars and pay full time attorneys and lobbyists. Under a different US Congress and president, the law that is repeatedly re-introduced could quickly pass, and then therapy would be illegal for adults as well as minors and in all states, whether provided by professional therapists, coaches, lay counselors, or pastoral counselors. Freedom of religion and freedom of choice are at stake, along with the right to heal and to chose ones own sexual life. And that is not trivial. That is why lots of people care.
Besides the matter of legal persecution, control, and attacks on basic freedoms, there is the matter that people come to terms with their sexuality and make life decisions based on misinformation they are given by authorities they think they should be able to trust, such as the American Psychological Association, their legislatures, and their therapists. A friend of mine went to a therapist to get help to change his same-sex attraction and behavior. He was told he couldn’t change and should leave his family and go live a gay lifestyle. In despair, not relief, he did that for a decade, lived a life he did not want to live. Finally he went to a church support group, got help, and remarried to a woman. But he and his daughter lost all the years that he did not live with her full time and raise her. That loss can never be made up to them. He grieves! He cares about this deception, because it cost him years of his life and the only years he had to raise his daughter. So people do care about the harm of this deception in their lives.

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By: Joe A https://www.aoiusa.org/american-psychological-association-course-correction-sexual-orientation-and-gender-identity-not-fixed-after-all/#comment-263443 Sat, 01 Oct 2016 02:30:18 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=14628#comment-263443 Who cares, why do homosexuals always want to turn their way of life into a handicap. Born this way, can’t change it. There is no direct proof of any gene, birth defect, mutation etc. that causes homosexuality, and there might never be. I’ve always found that the certain homosexuals who cling to the “born this way” defense, and not the “I choose to live like this” are turning their lifestyle into a condition, a handicap, a twist of fate that caused them to be attracted to their own gender. And now unto the other side of the coin, lets say you can convince a gay person, that they aren’t born this way, will that cause them to go straight? Will the sudden epiphany of realizing they have a choice convince homosexuals to switch? No. This is all just political fodder, so two sides can continue to fight over a contrite, and useless topic, while other things are going wrong in the world, and going unnoticed.

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By: Sophia https://www.aoiusa.org/american-psychological-association-course-correction-sexual-orientation-and-gender-identity-not-fixed-after-all/#comment-263285 Fri, 30 Sep 2016 03:11:10 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=14628#comment-263285 In reply to Jerilyn Franz.

Dr. Haynes said, “Therapists who are open to change agree people generally do not just choose their sexual attractions, otherwise these therapists would not bother to offer therapy.” And she acknowledged, “Dr. Diamond has publicly gone on record that she opposes psychotherapy that is open to sexual attraction change.” There’s no deception here. Dr. Haynes is just presenting an opposing view about therapy.

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By: Sheri Dan https://www.aoiusa.org/american-psychological-association-course-correction-sexual-orientation-and-gender-identity-not-fixed-after-all/#comment-263256 Thu, 29 Sep 2016 21:41:16 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=14628#comment-263256 Dr. Haynes is being honest, and the above Wikipedia article is badly out of date. Dr. Diamond’s Cornell video (with its transcript) is up to date.

Lesbian psychologist Dr. Lisa Diamond has done much research and has received awards from the American Psychological Association and other organizations. According to Dr. Diamond, sexual fluidity (the ability to love and be sexually attracted to both sexes) is not rare. Her LATEST research and other large-scale scientific studies demonstrate that everyone is capable of sexual fluidity. Here is a transcript of part of her Cornell video.

(37:30) “So what are the implications of all this? I’ve started to come to see fluidity, not as something that’s just specific to women, but as a general feature of human sexuality. [If] you read anthropological reports, you find plenty of evidence of fluidity… FLUIDITY IS A GENERAL FEATURE OF HUMAN SEXUALITY.”

(39:05) …The truth is that, at a political level, we have advocated for the civil rights of LGBT people, on the basis of them being LGBT, right? We’ve used categories as a part of our strategy for social policy and for acceptance. THAT IS REALLY, REALLY, TRICKY, NOW THAT WE KNOW IT’S NOT TRUE.”

http://www.cornell.edu/video/lisa-diamond-on-sexual-fluidity-of-men-and-women

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By: Jim Kubus Sr https://www.aoiusa.org/american-psychological-association-course-correction-sexual-orientation-and-gender-identity-not-fixed-after-all/#comment-262990 Wed, 28 Sep 2016 00:41:57 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=14628#comment-262990 Did Dr. Diamond factor in the studies coming out of the DES Daughter and Sons groups to reach her conclusions on gender identity.

A recent French study on DES (an estrogen given to prevent miscarriages in the 1940’s to the 1980’s) was done on groups of children to see what the effects were on their psychological well-being. Group 1 (n=180), firstborn children without DES exposure in the uterus, and Group 2 (n=740), children with DES exposure in the uterus. No psychiatric disorders were reported for the Group 1 unexposed children, but 83.8% of the DES-exposed children experienced psychiatric disorders. For children exposed to estrogen in the uterus, 85% attempted suicide, 34% suffered depression, bipolar disorder or anxiety; 23% were schizophrenic.

Another study found men whose mother took DES while pregnant had a 30% rate of gender identity disorders.

The bottom line is that exposing the developing fetus to hormones such as estrogen, either via “the pill” or HRT may cause a disconnect between a developing child’s biological sex and gender identity.

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By: Jerilyn Franz https://www.aoiusa.org/american-psychological-association-course-correction-sexual-orientation-and-gender-identity-not-fixed-after-all/#comment-262593 Sun, 25 Sep 2016 07:39:53 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=14628#comment-262593 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_M._Diamond

In her studies of sexual fluidity, she has found that many women report variability in their sexual orientation identity. Diamond is clear that sexual orientation is not chosen, but that identity can shift non-voluntarily for some women. The sexually fluid women she studied did not “experience those changes as willful”, and some even resist them. Diamond says that conversion therapy cannot remove same-sex attraction.

Dr Diamond herself is very clear that sexual orientation is not a choice and that conversion therapy does not work.

Dr Haynes is being dishonest here.

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By: Fr. James Rosselli https://www.aoiusa.org/american-psychological-association-course-correction-sexual-orientation-and-gender-identity-not-fixed-after-all/#comment-262019 Wed, 21 Sep 2016 03:32:20 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=14628#comment-262019 Religion, objective reality, empiricism and common sense aside, by endorsing this nonsense the APA is flagrantly violating the scientific method by adopting the position of a flagrantly biased–and self-confessed flagrantly biased– researcher.

The APA first compromised its status as a sound source of data years ago, when it declared the Christmas classic, “It’s a wonderful life” as “harmful, setting unrealistic expectations.” Since then they have issued knee-jerk responses in favor of advocates of every personally-destructive perversion in their (no longer actually credible) revisions of the DSM.

They use the language of science, but violate its basic principles. They have thus obsolesced themselves as scientists, having chosen instead to become partisans.

Now, I’m a partisan, and I gladly welcome them to the club. Their arguments hold no epistemological water, and I am pleased to respond to them, given the opportunity, one partisan to another.

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By: James Bradshaw https://www.aoiusa.org/american-psychological-association-course-correction-sexual-orientation-and-gender-identity-not-fixed-after-all/#comment-261968 Tue, 20 Sep 2016 20:22:12 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=14628#comment-261968 In reply to Hieromonk Mark.

Perhaps we’re reading two different conclusions here.

From what I’m gathering, Dr Diamond is simply acknowledging that many people fall somewhere along a spectrum in terms of sexual orientation. This isn’t news, though, since Kinsey essentially said the same thing in his studies.

For those who fall in that middle of the spectrum (and there may be more of these folks than previously thought), they can probably successfully live as heterosexuals.

She’s not saying that their orientation itself has fundamentally changed or that the causes of any sexual “dis”-orientation can be somehow undone. At least not from what I’m reading.

Personally, I am wary of trying to explain away these deep psychological impulses and drives by trying to read too much into one’s upbringing. People sometimes have strained relationships with one or both of their parents, or sometimes they are mistreated by someone of the same or opposite sex. There’s no way to conclusively say this “causes” one’s sexual orientation, and even if one could, I wouldn’t: it’s not like these things can be somehow undone.

Ultimately, it doesn’t matter what the causes are, anyhow. The question is: what are our values? If our drives are leading us into behaviors that contradict those values, then the answer seems to be to learn how to align our actions with those values through discipline and the support of others … not pretending that these unwanted desires no longer exist.

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