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Comments on: Abp. Demetrios on the way out? https://www.aoiusa.org/abp-demetrios-on-the-way-out/ A Research and Educational Organization that engages the cultural issues of the day within the Orthodox Christian Tradition Fri, 29 Jan 2010 14:52:52 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.3.3 By: AOI Observer Reports Latest on +Demetrios Controversy https://www.aoiusa.org/abp-demetrios-on-the-way-out/#comment-8463 Fri, 29 Jan 2010 14:52:52 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=5497#comment-8463 […] Well, the New York-Constantinople brouhaha seems resolved — sort of (see: Abp. Demetrios on the way out?). You still wonder though why a hierarch wrote of Abp. Demetrios in terms we could charitably call […]

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By: Immigration Lawyer https://www.aoiusa.org/abp-demetrios-on-the-way-out/#comment-8411 Mon, 25 Jan 2010 04:07:06 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=5497#comment-8411 The Archdiocese could have asked DHS and/or the State Department to consider granting humanitarian parole to these children months ago. For example, the Haitian orphans who arrived in Pittsburgh last week entered the U.S. as beneficiaries of humanitarian parole. New York City, where the Archidiocese is located, is the place where the most prominent immigration attorneys in the United States practice. Finding one there is not a challenge. Further, the GOA could have privately and discreetly approached DHS or the State Department to discuss this issue. Humanitarian parole is granted as a matter of discretion; the GOA has many politically connected members (some of whom are Archons) who could have used their influence to make a few phone calls to Washington. I’d like to know if the GOA ever considered this option (parole is faster than waiting for an adoption decree). I’d also like to know if they requested humanitarian parole and were refused (and the reasons for the refusal, if that is what happened).

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By: George Michalopulos https://www.aoiusa.org/abp-demetrios-on-the-way-out/#comment-8369 Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:30:10 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=5497#comment-8369 Just curious, does anybody think that the Archbishop’s statement that the Greek gov’t might have to bail out Holy Cross has anything to do with any of this?

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By: George Michalopulos https://www.aoiusa.org/abp-demetrios-on-the-way-out/#comment-8326 Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:11:49 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=5497#comment-8326 Cal, I see your point but when we are dealing with the secular press, the screaming headline is the one that sells the newspapers. And this one is a screaming headline. Personally, I think 79th St handled this as they usually do –ineptly.

Even if we extend a lot of slack to them, and accepting for the sake of argument the hidden agenda of the Phanar, the plain facts as presented are horrible to the extreme. I don’t want to hash them out again but this point needs to be made: the GOA is a glory-seeking enterprise from head to toe, that’s obvious. For proof, all you got to look at are the splendiferous banquets and press releases they put out and the way they spare no expenses on soirees, press releases, fund-raising, etc. But they’ve forgotten the one needful thing, and that is taking care of hardship cases like this. (Don’t forget how they secretly raised money to pay for the pederasty cases.)

I promise you this: if the Archons, the GOA, their assorted bureaucrats were actually setting up orphanages and running soup kitchens in America, they would NEVER run out of money. No “eparchy” (I won’t use the word “church” since it’s self-evident what a church does) can get to this point until they do some serious introspection. No foreign-based colonial eparchy can do this. Not the GOA, not the Serbs, Antiochians, nobody. Until recently, thi was true of the OCA as well (at least as long as it was in thrall to its East Coast demographic). Any such entity has to ask themselves: what are we here for? Are we a local church or are we a ethno-nationalist religious cult?

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By: Archbishop Demetrios On The Way Out? https://www.aoiusa.org/abp-demetrios-on-the-way-out/#comment-8315 Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:57:50 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=5497#comment-8315 […] Johannes Jacobse analyzes the recent media clash over Archbishop Demetrios’ alleged handling of two orphans: The National Herald reported on […]

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By: Dean Calvert https://www.aoiusa.org/abp-demetrios-on-the-way-out/#comment-8310 Wed, 20 Jan 2010 05:07:53 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=5497#comment-8310 In reply to John Panos.

John,

I think you are onto something….

I’ve been wondering for a while now..”Why now?” with regard to the sudden interest in the Preparatory Commission, and the Episcopal Assemblies. This has been in deep freeze since the mid 90’s…suddenly they are moving at warp speed.

Why?

I’m wondering if your “misdirection” comment is in some way related to my question (or, more accurately, the answer to it).

In any case…I wouldn’t be surprised if you are right

Best Regards,
dean

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By: Cal Oren https://www.aoiusa.org/abp-demetrios-on-the-way-out/#comment-8293 Tue, 19 Jan 2010 17:46:28 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=5497#comment-8293 If this whole story is essentially correct as published, one huge blunder from my perspective would have been the Herald’s failure to exercise good journalistic standards, and solicit comments from the Archdiocese before going to press with the original story, to which Metr. Theoliptos was apparently responding.

In fairness to the Herald, I have not seen the original story, nor is it quoted elsewhere, so my criticism might not be accurate.

I bring this up not to minimize the scandal of one hierarch excoriating another in a public forum without having first taken up the matter privately, but just to point out that the laity also need to exercise restraint and withhold immediate judgment until the facts are all known, so that we can serve as role models for our bishops.

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By: George Michalopulos https://www.aoiusa.org/abp-demetrios-on-the-way-out/#comment-8288 Tue, 19 Jan 2010 12:24:43 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=5497#comment-8288 Also curious: have any of the parishes in the GOA received info on their bishops applying for Turkish citizenship or that each diocese is to turn over one piece of property to Istanbul? I know of two parishes in the GOA where neither announcement has been made. We should make every concerted effort to find out. I’m sure we have readers in every GOA diocese here in the US.

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By: Dean Calvert https://www.aoiusa.org/abp-demetrios-on-the-way-out/#comment-8286 Tue, 19 Jan 2010 04:25:52 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=5497#comment-8286 By the way, I checked the EP’s website at http://www.patriarchate.org/

I had to laugh when I saw where this metropolitan “ranks” among hierarchs of the ecumenical throne…just below Nicholas, of Detroit.

…and his See, Iconium, probably hasn’t seen a liturgy in 10 centuries.

Just gets curiouser and curiouser.

LOL

Dean

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By: Andrew https://www.aoiusa.org/abp-demetrios-on-the-way-out/#comment-8285 Tue, 19 Jan 2010 02:03:55 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=5497#comment-8285 I would like to point out that if memory serves me correctly the GOA solicited private donors to help settle abuse claims. Are you telling me the GOA will work the phones for donors for hush money but the GOA will not solicit donations to facilitate the placement of these children? Talk about priorities.

I will go you one further. Politics aside. Why not fly the omogenia-1 gulfstream jet to pick up these kids and at least get them a temporary home somewhere until their guardianship can be settled. Regardless of who is involved the kids are innocent and St. Basil Academy is open for business.

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By: George Michalopulos https://www.aoiusa.org/abp-demetrios-on-the-way-out/#comment-8283 Tue, 19 Jan 2010 01:14:25 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=5497#comment-8283 what’s sad of course is that in the midst of all this posturing, there are two little Christian boys in Africa who are suffering and our “archpastors” are quibbling over immigration law. Shame on them.

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By: Chris Banescu https://www.aoiusa.org/abp-demetrios-on-the-way-out/#comment-8280 Tue, 19 Jan 2010 00:23:36 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=5497#comment-8280 I agree with the various posters here. There is a lot more going on behind the scenes than meets the eye at first. Time will tell the real motivations for all those involved.

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By: Fr. Johannes Jacobse https://www.aoiusa.org/abp-demetrios-on-the-way-out/#comment-8279 Mon, 18 Jan 2010 23:52:01 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=5497#comment-8279 In reply to Wesley J. Smith.

Short of outright adoption, none of the other jurisdictions have the facilities. Most likely there will not be any ecclesiastical impediments put in their way. I don’t know about any governmental ones.

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By: Fr. Johannes Jacobse https://www.aoiusa.org/abp-demetrios-on-the-way-out/#comment-8278 Mon, 18 Jan 2010 23:50:22 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=5497#comment-8278 In reply to Greg.

Because the relatives asking for help live in the USA, and because the GOA has St. Basil’s Academy which is equipped to help the boys. This is all very reasonable.

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By: Wesley J. Smith https://www.aoiusa.org/abp-demetrios-on-the-way-out/#comment-8277 Mon, 18 Jan 2010 23:32:26 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=5497#comment-8277 Could one of the other jurisdictions offer the boys sanctuary?

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