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Comments on: A Reflection on the Episcopal Assembly https://www.aoiusa.org/a-reflection-on-the-episcopal-assembly/ A Research and Educational Organization that engages the cultural issues of the day within the Orthodox Christian Tradition Sat, 19 Jun 2010 17:50:06 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.3.3 By: Samuel https://www.aoiusa.org/a-reflection-on-the-episcopal-assembly/#comment-12393 Sat, 19 Jun 2010 17:50:06 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=7014#comment-12393 How much of what we hear from Orthodox leadership is rhetoric? Do they portray the humility of Christ or are they caught up in a smoke screen to devert their focus from the great commission? It seems to me that unity in the church can only manifest when the common goal is reaching the community around us and then the world for Jesus. Why is this left up to the rest of the community of Christ and we are exempt because we can’t agree on what is proper protocal for the behavior of the clergy. The whole time they are trying to find common ground the world around us is being turned against a gospel they’ve never even been presented with yet.We as Ortodox christians are just as guilty because we wait around for them to decide what is good for us instead of leading us into the righteousness of God and his Kingdom. In Revelation 19:7 all of Heaven rises up to the decloration of the Bride of Jesus to proclaim that we are ready to be presented to the Bridegroom for our union with Him.All of the prophecies that the Lord Jesus left us with are manifesting before our very eyes and we sit around waiting for the leadership to decide if we should be in unity or devided as if this were acceptable at all. The Gospel of John shows us that Jesus himself prays that we are one as he is with his Father. what part of that do we not understand? As for persecution. I’m not going to wait around for it to come to me.I will lean totally on the Holy Spirit to lead me and guide me into all truth and I will enter Heaven and hear Jesus say well done good and faitfull servant

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By: Scott Pennington https://www.aoiusa.org/a-reflection-on-the-episcopal-assembly/#comment-12342 Wed, 16 Jun 2010 21:59:37 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=7014#comment-12342 “What is going to happen when the persecution comes?”

George,

Maybe that’s the problem. We live in a country which is no longer arguably Christian but in which also there is not (yet) violent persecution. Think of it as a transition period. Persecution tends to have a wonderful clarifying effect: “Whom do you serve?” That question gets muddled in our society, even among bishops. Also, persecution tends to refine a person’s appreciation for traditional practice. When there’s a complete break with the dominant culture (because the dominant culture is actively engaging in anti-Christian violence) it ceases to be a legitimate source of reference when it comes to how we behave as Christians – – no more “one foot in tradition and one foot in pop culture” (i.e., Desperate Housewives, boat rides to combat “Global Warming” etc.).

Admittedly though, persecution is a steep price to pay for renewal. But we always had the choice to break with the culture voluntarily and convert it instead of capitulate.

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By: Geo Michalopulos https://www.aoiusa.org/a-reflection-on-the-episcopal-assembly/#comment-12319 Wed, 16 Jun 2010 00:04:27 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=7014#comment-12319 Michael, what I liked about this priest’s thoughts was how much more sober and realistic they were than what we’ve heard already. As feckless as SCOBA was, I fear nothing but the worst for the EA, especially since it doesn’t seem that there was any repentance.

As much as I like and admire Fr Mark, I couldn’t help but be perplexed by his interview. When he said that this EA was important because he heard bishops say for the first time “nice to finally meet you,” I thought: these are bishops for Christ’s sake! They have the charisms of the Holy Spirit! Since we’re into diptychs and all that, read Eusebius and pore over the list of the first bishops. How many centuries elapsed before one of them died a natural death? I’m even talking about the popes of Rome, many of them died in the lead mines, doing the most menial work. And here, our bishops, most of whom have never known a hungry day in their lives, have never slept in a prison cell, or worked in the gulag, all they cared about was seeing if they could get along? Am I the only one who sees any incongruity here? What is going to happen when the persecution comes?

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By: Michael Bauman https://www.aoiusa.org/a-reflection-on-the-episcopal-assembly/#comment-12314 Tue, 15 Jun 2010 20:38:40 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=7014#comment-12314 That about sums it up. We each have to ask ourselves: 1) Do I really want unity? Will I be obedient to my bishop (whomever he is)? Will I love the Greeks, Lebanese, mongrel Americans, Russians, etc, that I now have no excuse but to consider by bothers and sisters.

All of these are evidence of the foundation of Christ are they not?

Will I forgive the people who do not/have not agreed with me?

Or will I seek my own version of what it means to be Orthodox to the exclusion of others?

I frankly don’t know the answers for myself. I hope to find out though.

Still think the best solution is to lock all the bishops into a monastary for as long as it takes for them to reach a solution. Don’t let them out until they have forgiven each other, prayed and can honestly say…”It seems good to us and to the Holy Spirit to lay down our claims to power and submit to one another in Christ, we have elected Bishop… as our our leader and will continue to work with him and one another in brotherhood and love to heal the divisions we have created, to reach out to our fellow Americans… followed by specifics such as outlined in the post.

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