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Comments on: A Rather Less Than New Kind of Christianity https://www.aoiusa.org/a-rather-less-than-new-kind-of-christianity/ A Research and Educational Organization that engages the cultural issues of the day within the Orthodox Christian Tradition Sun, 21 Feb 2010 20:07:51 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.3.3 By: cynthia curran https://www.aoiusa.org/a-rather-less-than-new-kind-of-christianity/#comment-8951 Sun, 21 Feb 2010 20:07:51 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=5906#comment-8951 Well, McLaren is basically a liberal protestant not much different from some of the neo-liberal theologicans of protestant thinking in the 1940’s and 1950’s. In fact, Billy Grahram. the fame Protestant preacher became very confuse about his faith after studying these theologicans which shows how bad McLaren thinking is even for protestants. I read a review of the book and a lot of it is nonsense. He complains about modern christianity being form too much by the Greco-Roman world rather than Judisim. Christianity formed in the Roman Empire, so how could it be isolated from some influenece of the outside culture, McLaren is an anabapists and most anabapists blame Constantine for the woes of the church since the 4th century.

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By: George Michalopulos https://www.aoiusa.org/a-rather-less-than-new-kind-of-christianity/#comment-8939 Sun, 21 Feb 2010 01:00:26 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=5906#comment-8939 If there was any doubt about the Reformation being a bad idea, one only needs to look at the 23,000 Protestant sects that currently populate the world.

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By: Fr. Gregory Jensen https://www.aoiusa.org/a-rather-less-than-new-kind-of-christianity/#comment-8934 Sat, 20 Feb 2010 20:59:30 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=5906#comment-8934 In reply to Michael Bauman.

Michael,

Are my words harsh? Yes bu they are also true. While my preference is to be irenic, mild even, there are times when a strong word is needed.

I read recently in St John Chrysostom, there can be an evil agreement and a virtous discord. The older I get the more I come to see the Reformation as simply a bad idea. O. Clement argues that the Reformation resulted not only in a fracturing of Catholic Church but a hardening of the Great Schism and contributed (in part to be sure) to the creation of the unia.

McLaren, for all that I sympathize with his concerns about Reformation and Evangelical Christianity, seems to me to be willing to throw out what little of the Chrstian tradition exists within the Protestant communities.

Forgive me for speaking so plainly.

In Christ,

+FrG

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By: Michael Bauman https://www.aoiusa.org/a-rather-less-than-new-kind-of-christianity/#comment-8929 Sat, 20 Feb 2010 18:06:11 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=5906#comment-8929 Fr. Gregory, do you really think your words harsh? They are quite mild in comparison to historical Orthodox documents. While I think it is vital to separate the actual faith in Jesus Christ that many Protestants have from the detritus of their theology, I don’t believe it serves anyone to avoid telling the truth about the theology. It is deficient at best. I have heard modern-day Calvinists prolaim ‘from the Scripture’ ideas about God that are clearly blashphemous. I am deeply troubled about the state of people’s souls who follow such teaching.

I feel the need to be politie and unoffensive especially concerning other’s faith often trumps our duty to proclaim the truth revealed in the Church: The Holy Mysteries, the lives of the saints and the patristic understanding of the Scripture. I know it has done a lot of good for me over the years.

We need folks who really know to step up and start speaking out. Right now it seems to be left to folks like me who know a very little, but perceive the depth even experience the depth but lack the tools to really speak. That is frustrating.

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By: Fr. Gregory Jensen https://www.aoiusa.org/a-rather-less-than-new-kind-of-christianity/#comment-8925 Sat, 20 Feb 2010 16:24:35 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=5906#comment-8925 In reply to Roger Bennett.

Roger,

Thanks for the Facebook link. I have on my own blog (palamas.info) I have looked at a similar theme the last several days. If you are interested do take a look–I’ve argued, in effect, that those who see the dangers facing are typically the ones less able to correct the problem.

Again, thanks for the link and the kind words.

In Christ,

+FrG

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By: A Take on McLaren « Magnolia Mountain https://www.aoiusa.org/a-rather-less-than-new-kind-of-christianity/#comment-8916 Fri, 19 Feb 2010 17:22:02 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=5906#comment-8916 […] said by Fr. Gregory Jenson on the AOI blog.  It’s self-admittedly strongly worded, but I think he’s getting at something. McLaren […]

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By: Roger Bennett https://www.aoiusa.org/a-rather-less-than-new-kind-of-christianity/#comment-8910 Fri, 19 Feb 2010 12:40:39 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=5906#comment-8910 I don’t know how this ranks as a book review (that’s not a backhanded way of saying “lousy book review” – I really don’t know the canons of book reviewing), but it is so incisive a critique of of Protestant ecclesiology that I linked it on FaceBook to challenge any Protestant friend who might be troubled by the proliferations of denominations and competing versions of the faith.

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By: Fr. Gregory Jensen https://www.aoiusa.org/a-rather-less-than-new-kind-of-christianity/#comment-8905 Thu, 18 Feb 2010 21:48:04 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=5906#comment-8905 John,

You are correct–and also most kind!

+FrG

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By: John Panos https://www.aoiusa.org/a-rather-less-than-new-kind-of-christianity/#comment-8903 Thu, 18 Feb 2010 20:21:01 +0000 https://www.aoiusa.org/?p=5906#comment-8903 McLaren is not presenting us with a new kind of Christianity but simply a re-working of Evangelical Christianity.

There’s nothing new under the sun.

Nicely reviewed, Fr. G!

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