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Same-Sex Marriage: A Conversation with Fr. Josiah Trenham and Abp. Salvatore Cordileone, Roman Catholic Archdiocese of San Francisco [Audio/Video]


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same-sex-marriageFather Josiah interviews Archbishop Salvatore Cordileone, one of America’s most articulate champions of marriage and most persuasive opponent of so-called “Same-Sex Marriage.” In this 30+ minute interview Archbishop Cordileone thoroughly goes on the record to explain the genesis of the movement for “Same-Sex Marriage” and exposes why the quest for redefining marriage is so destructive to the health and well-being of marriage and American society.

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Minnesota Orthodox Clergy Stand for Traditional Marriage


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I can see the Minneapolis Star Tribune has not changed much and manages, as always, to couch their bias in the basest sentimentality. One day there might be a class in Journalism School called “The Oprahization of Print Media” and the Star Tribune would be Exhibit A.

I grew up in Minneapolis so I learned how to sift the wheat from the chaff, a skill many conservative Minnesotans acquire in a one newspaper town. I notice that the paper tries to strike a balance between ‘yes’ and ‘no’ forces. That means the ‘yes’ side is stronger and has a much broader reach than the Star Tribune lets on.

Orthodox clergy joined the Catholics and others to secure that legal definition.

Source: Minneapolis Star Tribune | Baird Helgeson | September 19, 2012

Both sides in marriage fight appeal to faithful

The two sides slugging it out over the marriage amendment took their battle to the pews Tuesday, with both sides making bold, public pleas to people of faith.

Minnesotans United for All Families took direct aim at the Catholic Church’s support of the amendment, with a kickoff television ad featuring a Catholic couple urging Minnesotans to reject the measure. At the same time, Twin Cities Catholic Archbishop John Nienstedt joined about 40 other faith leaders at the Capitol to encourage support for the marriage amendment.

The two events signal a new phase of a campaign that already is among the most expensive and contentious of the state’s election season.

Both campaigns have been working for months to build coalitions in places of worship, among business leaders and through public rallies. The duel of the TV ad and high-profile media event on the Capitol steps takes the discussion into homes statewide, giving advocates a chance to speak to voters who might have ignored early season efforts.

Minnesotans United for All Families’ first ad features a Catholic couple from Savage who say their position on same-sex marriage has evolved and that they now oppose the measure.

“We know that for Minnesotans to vote no on Election Day we need to encourage them to have conversations and take a journey that many other people in the state and country have taken about gay and lesbian freedom to marry,” said Richard Carlbom, campaign manager for Minnesotans United. “We need to show Minnesotans how to go from conflicted or concerned to a ‘no’ vote.”

Nienstedt, in a rare public declaration on the issue, offered a brief statement: “I ask all Minnesotans to join us to vote yes on November 6th. … This is a wonderful sight, to see clergy from … so many different churches come together and show their support for our basic understanding of marriage as a union between one man and one woman.” Nienstedt took no questions and left after reading the statement.

Minnesota for Marriage, the lead group pushing the measure, is scheduled to air its first TV ad Oct. 1. The ads will lay out why the group believes the institution of marriage is worth preserving, what it sees as the threat to marriage and what is at stake should it be redefined.

‘Ours to win’

Frank Schubert, the California-based political strategist running Minnesota for Marriage, said the other side has been having conversations for nearly two years yet still acknowledges in public that they would lose if the election were held today.

“What are they going to say in the final seven weeks that they haven’t said the last 18 months?” Schubert asked. “The answer is nothing. This election is ours to win.”

Marriage amendment supporters in others states have funneled much of their money into a last-minute barrage of emotional and successful television advertisements — many created by Schubert. The ads have warned that without the measure, students could be taught about same-sex marriage in elementary schools.

Minnesotans United has spent months dissecting Schubert’s strategy and ads in other states. Carlbom said they are bracing for “the most divisive and hurtful ads ever in the state” and are preparing to push back strongly on the airwaves should those ads surface.

Minnesota law already outlaws same-sex marriage, but supporters argue the measure is necessary to prevent judges or future legislatures from changing the law. Like in other states that have dealt with the issue, marriage amendment supporters are trailing in fundraising, but many polls show the measure barely passing or close to it.

Carlbom vowed that with this first ad, the group will remain on the air across Minnesota through Election Day. Fretting over an expected late blitz from the other side, Minnesotans United has already locked in $1.3 million of airtime for the last week of the campaign. That’s in addition to nearly $500,000 they are spending on their first ad.

That 30-second spot features John and Kim Canny, lifelong Republicans and Catholics, who talk about how their position on marriage evolved as the couple spent 13 years raising their children in Savage.

When a gay couple moved into their neighborhood with an adopted son, the Cannys say in the ad, they realized same-sex couples want to marry to make a lifetime commitment based on love and responsibility — the same reasons that drove the Cannys to take their wedding vows. The Canny family “had some good discussions,” John Canny said. “In our daughter’s world, her normal is so much different than ours. It didn’t faze her at all.”

The ad ends with Kim Canny encouraging Minnesotans to continue wrestling with the issue. “And when you do,” John Canny chimes in, “vote no.”

The ad is not the first of the marriage amendment fight. A month ago, Freedom to Marry, a national group pushing for states to approve same-sex marriage, launched TV ads featuring Yvonne and Fred Peterson of Duluth. The couple discussed their 59-year marriage and how they came to support same-sex marriage after learning their grandson is gay.

‘Essential public purpose’

Religious leaders at the Capitol on Tuesday urged residents thinking about the amendment to consult the Bible, not pop culture or shifting societal norms.

“This gift of marriage is given to us by God to create a loving and secure bond between husband and wife, where they can share the deepest emotions and the most joyful pleasures of physical intimacy,” said Carl Nelson, president of Transform Minnesota, a network of nearly 160 evangelical churches in Minnesota. “Marriage bonds a mother and father to any children that may be born to their union and creates a stable and loving family. This is the essential public purpose of marriage and the reason why we support the marriage amendment.”

Schubert was in a Twin Cities hotel room Tuesday putting the finishing touches on his plan for the final weeks of the campaign when the other side released its ad. Amendment opponents’ ads miss the point, said Schubert — that marriage is a unique relationship between a man and a woman.

“It is not something you leave to children based on their norm, and it is not something you change because you have nice gay neighbors,” Schubert said. “Almost all of them are wonderful people who deserve to be loved and respected. But we don’t need to redefine marriage to respect our gay and lesbian neighbors.”

Hadley Arkes. From California: Another Front in the Culture Wars


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Source: Ruth Institute | By Hadley Arkes

From California again we get a glimpse of the future – or the future that a political class is consciously seeking to prepare for us in reshaping the culture. During the summer the legislature enacted, and Governor Jerry Brown signed into law, SB48, as an amendment to “the Education Code, relating to instruction.” That Code had already made ample provision to instruct the children of California in the contributions made by all racial and ethnic groups supplying votes for politicians. But there was an appreciation also for the contributors who were “entrepreneurs” and labor unions, and whose stories deserved to be told. With SB48 the legislature took a further step by adding: “Pacific Islanders, European Americans, lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender Americans.”

The schools were directed to give only favorable accounts of these groups in telling the story. But on the other side, teachers and administrators were enjoined not to offer any instruction or “sponsor any activity that reflects adversely upon persons on the basis of race or ethnicity, gender, religion, disability, nationality, sexual orientation.” There is not the least doubt about the intention to enforce this law. Nor is there much doubt about the main target of the law. SB48 bars “any sectarian or denominational doctrine or propaganda contrary to law.”

For religious teaching, read: any teaching offering a claim to truth rivaling the moral teaching in the law. That alternative moral teaching will be regarded as merely beliefs of a “denominational” character or a version of “propaganda.”

Make no mistake, Fr. Schall was quite right in his recent column: We are in the midst of a culture war. And a chief purpose of that war is to make it untenable to teach Catholic doctrine in public settings, or for Catholic institutions, in their work, to respect that teaching. But we would fall into a gentle mistake if we assumed that we are facing mainly the force of “relativism,” or that the appeal now is to the rights of parents to provide for the moral shaping of their children.

Yes, in part, to both. The force of relativism was felt first in teaching the wrongness of casting moral judgments, including judgments on the “styles” of sexuality. But there is nothing relativistic about the law in California. There is no willingness to tolerate the views of those who bear moral reservations about the homosexual life. The people who brought forth this law would draw on the “logic of morals” as Aquinas had it, and as it will ever be: they would commend and even require what is “right,” and they would condemn and forbid what they regard as “wrong.”

Lincoln had all of this long ago: “If slavery is right, all words, acts, laws, and constitutions against it, are themselves wrong, and should be silenced, and swept away.” He could conceivably grant then the authority to bar the abolitionist literature from the mails – if slavery were right. And if it were wrong to cast adverse moral judgments on the homosexual life, the understandings supporting those judgments could indeed be driven out of the schools.

Fr. Thomas Hopko: The Homosexual Christian


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Fr. Thomas Hopko

Source: OrthodoxyToday.org

Many gay men and lesbians claim that the Christian faith is the guiding rule of their lives. Some of them hold that their sexual orientation is given by God, that it is good, and that there is nothing wrong or sinful with their homosexual activities. These persons say that the Bible and Church Tradition do not condemn homosexual behaviour, but have been misinterpreted and misused, sometimes unknowingly and other times quite willfully, by prejudiced and hostile people who hate homosexuals. Those who believe in this way obviously want others to agree with them, and many are now working hard to have their views accepted, particularly by fellow Christians and Church leaders.

Other homosexual Christians hold that their sexual orientation is not from God – except providentially, since the Lord’s plan inevitably involves human freedom and sin but derives from human fault. While some of these people are not willing or able to identify the specific reasons for their sexual feelings, though still affirming that they are not good and are not to be indulged; others with the help of what they believe to be sound biblical interpretation and accurate psychological analysis, identify the source of their sexual orientation in faults and failures in their family experiences, particularly in early childhood, and perhaps even before that, which contribute to their sexual makeup. These people hold that they are called by God to struggle against their homosexual tendencies as all people are called to struggle against the sinful passions which they find within themselves, while they work to heal the causes of their disorientation and disease. Those who hold this position look to their fellow Christians, especially their Church leaders, for support and assistance in their spiritual struggle.

The Orthodox Position

Given the traditional Orthodox understanding of the Old and New Testament scriptures as expressed in the Church’s liturgical worship, sacramental rites, canonical regulations and lives and teachings of the saints, it is clear that the Orthodox Church identifies solidly with those Christians, homosexual and heterosexual, who consider homosexual orientation as a disorder and disease, and who therefore consider homosexual actions as sinful and destructive.

According to Orthodox Christian witness over the centuries, Biblical passages such as the following do not permit any other interpretation but that which is obvious.

If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination . . . (Leviticus 20:13)

For this reason (i.e. their refusal to acknowledge, thank and glorify God) God gave them up to dishonorable passions. Their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural, and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameful acts with men and receiving in their own persons the due penalty for their error. (Romans 1:26-27)

Do not be deceived; neither the sexually immoral (or fornicators), nor idolators, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals (or sodomites; literally those who have coitus, or who sleep, with men), nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God. (1 Corinthians 6:9-11)

Unwilled Sins

According to the Orthodox Church not all sins are willful and voluntary, and not all acts of sin are the conscious fault of those who do them; at least not at first. In a word, sin is not always something for which the sinner himself or herself is necessarily culpable in a complete and conscious way. There are sins of ignorance and passion, sins which “work in our members,” as St. Paul says, even against our rational and conscious wills. (See Romans 6-8) These are the sins referred to in the Church’s prayers when the faithful beg God for forgiveness and pardon of sins which are not only conscious, but unconscious; not only voluntary, but involuntary.

There are sins which are involuntary, unwilled, unchosen; sins which overcome people and force them by irrational impulses and compulsions, by weaknesses of the flesh, emotional drives and misguided desires into actions which they themselves do not want, and often despise and abhor – even when they are engaging in them. These are known traditionally as the sins of passion. The fact that these sins are not freely chosen do not make them any less sinful. To sin means to miss the mark, to be off the track, to deviate, to defile, to transgress . . . whether or not the act is consciously willed and purposefully enacted; and whether or not the offender personally is freely and fully at fault.

Redeemed Sinners

According to Orthodox Church Tradition, Christians are redeemed sinners. They are human beings who have been saved from sickness and sin, delivered from the devil and death by God’s grace through faith in Jesus by the Holy Spirit’s power: “and such were some of you.” (1 Cor. 6:10) They are baptized into Christ and sealed with the Spirit in order to live God’s life in the Church. They witness to their faith by regular participation in liturgical worship and eucharistic communion, accompanied by continual confession, repentance and the steadfast struggle against every form of sin, voluntary and involuntary, which attempts to destroy their lives in this world and in the age to come.

The homosexual Christian is called to a particularly rigorous battle. His or her struggle is an especially ferocious one. It is not made any easier by the mindless, truly demonic hatred of those who despise and ridicule those who carry this painful and burdensome cross; nor by the mindless, equally demonic affirmation of homosexual activity by its misguided advocates and enablers.

Like all temptations, passions and sins, including those deeply, and oftentimes seemingly indelibly embedded in our nature by our sorrowful inheritance, homosexual orientation can be cured and homosexual actions can cease. With God all things are possible. When homosexual Christians are willing to struggle, and when they receive patient, compassionate and authentically loving assistance from their families and friends – each of whom is struggling with his or her own temptations and sins; for no one is without this struggle in one form or another, and no one is without sin but God – the Lord guarantees victory in ways known to Himself. The victory, however, belongs only to the courageous souls who acknowledge their condition, face their resentments, express their angers, confess their sins, forgive their offenders (who always include their parents and members of their households), and reach out for help with the genuine desire to be healed. Jesus himself promises that the saintly heroes who “persevere to the end” along this “hard way which leads to life” will surely “be saved.” (Matt. 7:13; 24:13)

” . . . the Lord guarantees victory in ways known to Himself”

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V. Rev. Thomas Hopko is Dean Emritus of St. Vladimir’s Seminary.

From Word Magazine, a publication of the Antiochian Orthodox Christian Archdiocese of North America. January 1987.

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Fr. Josiah Trenham: The Orthodox Church and Same-Sex Marriage [VIDEO]


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Fr. Josiah Trenham

Fr. Josiah Trenham pastor of St. Andrew Orthodox Christian Church in Riverside, California offers a two part talk responding to the August, 2010 ruling legalizing same-sex marriage in California. Fr. Josiah’s talk was given in August, 2010.

Source: St. Andrew Orthodox Church Youtube Page


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