September 2, 2014

It’ll Get Worse

Source: Salvo | HT: Byzantine, TX

IT’LL GET WORSE CAMPAIGN

Many brainwashed Christian kids aren’t getting a clear picture of what their lives will be like as openly conservative religious adults. They don’t fully realize that their objections and concerns will be shouted down and that they’ll be ridiculed and bullied in the public square—called hater and bigot and anti-science no matter what they say or do. So let’s show them what their parents’ lives are like now, so they know what the future has in store for them if they remain Christians.

::: THE PLEDGE :::
No one deserves to be respected for having a Christian point of view or any other perspective that doesn’t fully embrace the gay ideology and abortion rights. To this end, I pledge to squash any religious ideas in children by giving them a taste of the public shaming and vitriol they will receive as God-fearing adults. I’ll shout down anyone who tries to stand up for traditional morals at school and at work—and I’ll encourage my friends, family, and neighbors to do the same. I’ll provide hopelessness to religiously minded youth by letting them know at a young age that “It’ll Get Worse.”

Ed: Salvo calls it a “fake” ad. Is it?

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    Anil Wang says:

    I think it’s fake. If you try to access the web site, you’ll get a “Want to buy this domain?” from GoDaddy.

    That being said, given the very strong international reaction against Hungry’s pro life consitution, the sentiment is definitely there even.

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    Fr. Johannes Jacobse says:
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      Anil Wang says:

      Father, the link says “A Salvo fake ad. It’s a little hard to read on screen so the text is below.”

      The ad itself contains a web address: http://www.itllgetworsecampaign.com which is not in use.

      But as Dn Brian Patrick Mitchell say, it’s a myth. But as C. S. Lewis was often fond of saying, even a fictional myth encompasses a greater truth.

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    Dn Brian Patrick Mitchell says:

    It’s fake in the same way the Screwtape Letters are fake, only the ad is a lot less fake than the letters.

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    Greg says:

    The best short fiction is a crystal clear snapshot of the human condition. Thus, it’s true.

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      Fr. Johannes Jacobse says:

      Sometimes fiction is more true than non-fiction.

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        [Fifth attempt to reply to this comment:]

        As often as fantasy is more real than reality.

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          Fr. Johannes Jacobse says:

          I should have responded to this earlier. No, fantasy can’t be more real than reality. What you mean to say I think (or at least the only thing that makes sense) is sometimes fantasy is closer to reality than non-fiction.

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    Michael Bauman says:

    Are you saying it won’t get worse? Are you saying that we should not prepare our children for the tangible reality of aggressive opposition the the very idea of being Christian, to the very idea that Christians should be able to speak at all from the foundation of their belief?

    Or are you saying that we should prepare them by fostering genuine spiritual strength and faith in Christ by living the life of the Church and supporting them in that life as well?

    Somehow I don’t think you are saying that we should just ignore the reality and pretend it does not exist are you?

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    Hdn. Herman says:

    Salvo, a kind of youth/young adult version of Touchstone (published by the same folks — the Fellowship of St. James) includes several “fake ads” in each issue. Their purpose is to expose and ridicule the evil and hateful tendencies that often hide beneath the so-called “tolerance” of contemporary secularist society. So the ad was really printed, but the institution it promotes does not exist. Hence it’s a fake ad. It’s purpose, however, is a Christian one: to show the need to strengthen our Christian youth against the hostility that they will encounter and already are encountering.

    Salvo is a worthwhile publication and deserves wider circulation.

    Hdn. Herman
    St. Vladimir’s Seminary

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    Rob says:

    Christians in this nation have no idea what persecution is. How does being called a “bigot” compare to what is happening to some Christians in Iraq, one of whom was recently kidnapped, tortured and beheaded?

    Further, is there any evidence that youth are being marginalized on a widespread scale for their professed faith in Christ? I’d think that in most areas of this nation, peer pressure is still on those who do not. They certainly are not being bullied on the same scale as those youth who – correctly or incorrectly – are identified as gay by their peers or who are religious minorities (Mormons, Muslims, etc).

    In my own city, one law-abiding man from the Middle East had has home set on fire by a molotov cocktail … while he was in it. Another gay couple awoke to find death threats spray painted on their garage.

    This is not to minimize the very real persecution of Christians in many areas of the world, but to insist that any critique of or poking fun at one’s ideas is somehow akin to abuse is a stretch.

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      Michael Bauman says:

      Rob, you are correct on one point–what we experience here in the U.S. is not yet at the level of persecution but the frog is being boiled.

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        Rob says:

        While anything is possible, Michael, I have a hard time seeing the type of persecution you fear coming to anyone or any group in this nation, at least in our lives.

        Surely, our culture has its ills, but as I look at the arc and trends of history, I can’t help but think that we are becoming a more civilized and empathetic nation. It would be inconceivable today to the majority of Americans to engage in the types of things taken for granted as morally licit by our forefathers: the taking of human slaves for personal profit, the mistreatment of indigenous peoples for the purposes of colonization, the segregation along with widespread and unjustified attacks on blacks seen in the deep South or even the public execution of convicted criminals (20,000 people attended the public hanging of Rainey Bethea in Kentucky in 1936, where it was reported to have been met with the reception of a street carnival).

        This isn’t to say that we won’t need to wrestle with what falls within the domain of religious liberties (such as the recent HHS decision on contraception and health coverage).

        FYI, to Fr Hans, the “It Will Get Worse” ad noted in the article is a parody of Dan Savage’s “It Gets Better” campaign launched after the rash of suicides by a number of gay youth. Hence, the reference. You may not have been aware.

        *Yes, abortion is an issue, but this didn’t have the availability it did 250 years ago, so who knows what its prevalence would have been then. Further (although this doesn’t excuse it), we are distanced from the act of abortion much as we are the violence of war which many of us also disregard rather casually. This trend seems to be changing, though. Young adults are, according to several surveys, less tolerant of abortion than their parents. They say Randall Terry has purchased Super Bowl time to air a graphic anti-abortion ad. It will be interesting to see the outcome.

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          Michael Bauman says:

          Rob, recent experience of my son in a junior college English Comp class. The professor was trying to introduce the type of composition where one defends a point of view. She choose as an exampl ‘gay marriage’ and split the class into two groups for an ad hoc debate. After conferencing in each group, my son was elected the spokesman for the no gay marriage group. In agreement with his group, a Christian stance was choose as the foundation for not accepting so-called gay marriage. From what he told me, he did a credible and irenic exposition of the Christian non-acceptance of ‘gay-marriage’. The response from the other group was the not so irencic “Stop using Christianity!” The only argument the other students had, according to my son, came down to the (my interpretation) plaintive whine “It’s not fair” which is the argument of a two year old in the midst of a temper tantrum as far as I’m concerned. Espeically since the word ‘fair’ in that contexts comes from words that mean morally pure and unblemished.

          That’s the sort of intolerance that is in the PC mind,i.e, it is unacceptable for Christians to speak from a Chrisitan foundation. In England and Canada Christian people have been prosecuted and fined for expressing their belief in non-confrontational ways (one was a Chrisitan bookstore that had certain scriptures, Romans one I believe on display). It is alleged to be an actual crime to display or cause to be published quotes from the Bible with no overt attempt to ‘force a belief’ on anyone else.

          The HHS decisions on forcing Christians to pay for abortion and contraception as well as Chrisitan adoption agencies forced to give children to ‘gay’ couples or face legal consequences are additional examples of the state disappoval of Chrisitan expression. All a violation of the 1st Amendment IMO but it continues and will only expand unless checked.

          Unchecked, such attitudes can easily become out-right, overt persecution.

          That is why I call it frog boiling. If we allow the chill to set into us and further inflitrate the culture at large while we remain silent, it will get worse. How fast the tendency develops in the direction of out-right persecution is anyone’s guess. It does not have to go there, but unchecked, it will.

          Probably not in my life time since I am in my sixties, but quite possibly in my son’s who is 25.

          Lord have mercy.

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            Robin says:

            Discrimination against minorities is inherently un-irenic, it puts you at odds with those you oppress.

            As an American, I think it’s acceptable for Christians to speak in favor of intolerance and bigotry; government should neither hinder nor support that. You’re free to run a discriminatory adoption agency that won’t give children to gay couples, but if you do, you fund it yourself without gay people’s tax dollars. That’s as it should be.

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              Fr. Hans Jacobse says:

              Identity politics works both ways. If homosexual couples should be allowed to adopt because homosexuals pay taxes, then why should heterosexuals pay the costs associated with AIDS given that homosexuals form the primary subgroup responsible for its spread?

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                Robin says:

                Are you saying heterosexuals with AIDS shouldn’t pay for their own treatment? I’m not following your reasoning.

                Taxes have nothing to do with civil rights. Homosexual couples are allowed to adopt because all are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal protection of the law.

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                  Fr. Johannes Jacobse says:

                  No. I am saying that if identity politics determines where tax dollars should go (homosexuals pay taxes so they should be allowed to adopt children), then they should also pay the social costs for AIDS treatments since homosexuals are the largest subgroup that carries, spreads, and suffers from the disease.

                  Be very careful here Rob. This may come back to bite you. Obamacare will cause rationing. That’s inevitable. It’s going to be hard to justify all the dollars spent treating AIDS patients. All it takes for public sentiment to turn against a group is when the pain threshold of the majority is reached, and given the financial burden that Obamacare will impose alongside other stresses that time is coming. Your insistence in defining homosexuals as a victim class in order to put forward the discrimination argument, might foster real discrimination down the road.

                  You should be more careful about your attacks on the Catholic Church too. Who do you think takes care of AIDS patients? What if you get AIDS and need care? You odds of being treated at a Catholic hospital are high. You want them to be there if you need them.

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                    Robin says:

                    Well then, using your “identity politics” reasoning, since the HIV incidence rate is 7 times higher among blacks than among whites ( http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/surveillance/incidence.htm ), are you saying only blacks should pay the costs for AIDS treatments?

                    I’d sooner go to a normal hospital than trust a Catholic one to put my health first. For example, if you had ovarian cancer, would you go to a hospital that has ideological objections to hysterectomies?

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                    Fr. Johannes Jacobse says:

                    This could on and on. That’s the point Rob, but identity politics is your point. How many of those black men are homosexual? The study you site doesn’t say but it does affirm that homosexuals comprise about 2% of the population but account for over 50% of all new HIV cases. How do you think Obamacare technocrats are going to look at that statistic once rationing starts? At that point identity shifts from victim group sentiment to a costly resource sentiment. Don’t think it can’t happen.

                    What hospitals to go to? I would trust hospitals that have a high regard for human life. That rules out hospitals that perform routine abortions.

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                      Robin says:

                      “That rules out hospitals that perform routine abortions.”

                      Which, in AOI’s state of Florida, rules out how many? None of them?

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                Leo Peter O'Filon III says:

                Gay people didn’t invent “identity politics,” their persecutors did. *They’re* just trying to END IT by defending themselves, finally. Do you really go on to say anti-gay persecution will begin? It’s been going on for as long as civilization! That’s like your illk’s cries of class warfare against the workers who are doing nothing but trying to defend themselves FROM the class warfare that’s been waged AGAINST us since the invention of monoculture. Keep saying it enough and people will believe it: Who said that? You’ll delete this, so I’m going to speak the whole truth to you. Your stock defense is to accuse your challengers of fingerwagging and moralizing, but that’s ALL that you and your dittoheads do on this website. I daresay the Episcopal Assembly should insist your “institute” make clear that it doesn’t speak for them. At least, I hope it doesn’t speak for them. If the Church becomes identified with political party or heresy or transient economic theories — especially harmful ones — then when that party or heresy or ideology go down, THE “CHURCH” WILL GO DOWN WITH THEM! I say neither the Democrats NOR the Republicans; neither the Episcopalians NOR the Latins; neither the Rationalized Capitalists NOR the Rationalized State-Capitalists. When are you as a presbyter of the Holy Orthodox Church going to teach ORTHODOXY? The world is really missing real Orthodoxy, suffering from its crying need! There’s no shortage of apologists for the sects and factions I just mentioned; you, Father, have other responsibilities AFAIK. Instead, you ban the Fathers and Scripture from this blog. That may be in Error, Father, and I don’t want to see our priests in Error, not even you who have abused me so. I’m probably wasting my breath, but I’m still prone to defend people wrongly attacked, popular or not. God have mercy on us all.

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                  Fr. Johannes Jacobse says:

                  Well, you’ve got one thing right Leo Peter O’Filon III. I have no patience with finger wagging and moralizing.

                  Put you points into some kind of systematic order, or better yet choose one or two and develop them. Then a reasonable discussion is possible.

                  Other than that, it just isn’t possible to address your objections in any responsible way. Your comment is unfocused.

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                  Fr. Johannes Jacobse says:

                  Leo Peter, let me flesh out my comment a bit. It is not sufficient to make class assertions about homosexuality without examining whether 1) homosexuals do indeed constitute a class, and 2) the larger framework in which gives the term its particular meaning, and 3) how that meaning applies to the larger culture and religion — especially the Orthodox faith given your scolding at the end of your paragraph.

                  Secondly, your admonition that “If the Church becomes identified with political party or heresy or transient economic theories — especially harmful ones — then when that party or heresy or ideology go down, THE “CHURCH” WILL GO DOWN WITH THEM!” is true — but only to a point. Left with no larger context in which to apply the admonition, it hangs out in the air, full of sound and fury but what does it signify?

                  In other words, the concrete teachings of the Church don’t exist apart from the culture in which they were first expressed (the Nicene Creed was formulated out of political and cultural necessity, remember?), nor are we absolved from trying to understand how they apply in ours. That means we have to understand the culture, to comprehend the ideas, beliefs, motivations, history, sentiments and so forth that inform and drive it.

                  That’s the interesting and compelling part, at least for me and most of the other contributors to this blog. Reasonable people can disagree, but they have to give their reasons. With no reasoning behind the admonitions it really is no more than finger wagging and moralizing and, as you correctly pointed out, I see the scoldings signifying nothing more than uninformed and undifferentiated disapproval. There’s not much meat on those bones.

                  It’s clear you feel passionate about 1) gay rights; 2) what I call “Orthodoxy as the third way” — an idea prevalent in some circles but one I see as intellectually empty; 3) acceptance of some precepts of cultural and economic conservatism; 4) and that I am not fulfilling my responsibilities as a priest.

                  That’s a mouthful, but I think it is a fair assessment of what you wrote. The thing is, you have to give reasons, to argue with some measure of clarity and depth, why you think the way that you do. You are welcome to do that here but your contribution must rise above, well, finger wagging and moralizing.

                  So my advice is to do what I mentioned in my first response. Take one or two points and develop them. Sharpen your focus. That is the only way any progress can be made.

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                    Rob Z says:

                    Two things:
                    a) I don’t believe that a characteristic need be immutable to be useful in defining a “class” of people. It makes sense to lump people into a group that share certain characteristics when it can be shown that those characteristics have been used to unjustly deny basic human rights. So sure, being a Mormon isn’t an immutable characteristic, but if it can be shown that Mormons are being routinely discriminated in housing and employment in an area predominantly populated by evangelicals, then yes, for the purposes of potential legal actions, Mormons constitute a “class”. If anything, their identity has been magnified and underlined by those seeking to discriminate.

                    b) I have mixed feelings regarding class identity when it comes to things like hate crime laws: in a way, it seems to set up a false hierarchy of value on human life. It seems to say that this life is more valid than the next merely by virtue of one characteristic or another. At the same time, crimes motivated by hatred for any specific class inflicts harm not only on the victim but on those who share the characteristics of that victim. Does anyone doubt that hearing of a black man being dragged to his death behind a truck by a couple of racist thugs is demoralizing to the hundreds or even thousands of blacks living in that area? Even without knowing the victim, the negative power of the statement that action makes is incalculable. So in a sense, certain violent crimes are acts of domestic terrorism if you will and might be worthy of consideration for sentences that serve a symbolic purpose (such as five life terms which can obviously never be lived out).

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    Fr. Johannes Jacobse says:

    Not everything revolves around gay rights Rob.

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    Gregg says:

    I’m an avid Salvo reader and frequently enjoy their satirical ads as well as their thoughtful and researched articles. This ad however irks me. I agree with the overal message and yes, as Christians it is becoming difficult to be taken seriously if not outright intellectually persecuted. However, the ad came across to me as mocking a campaign created to combat teen suicide. While the “It Gets Better” campaign doesn’t offer much substantive hope it was at least a public and popular attempt to reach out to teens wrestling with the horrors of bullying and understanding their sexual identity. This attempt to combat teenage suicide is something I think we can affirm. To mock it or spin it in such a way as to make the Christians the victims, possibly trivializes the anti-suicide intent of the mocked message. I think it’s important to avoid being seen as flippant towards any attempt to combat suicide.

    Wesley Hill does a phenomenal job discussing the “It Gets Better” campaign and offers a vision of why with God, it truly does get better.

    http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/tgc/2010/11/09/with-god-it-gets-much-better/

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    Pete says:

    “This attempt to combat teenage suicide is something I think we can affirm.” That would be the question, Gregg; personally, I agree with you. This fake ad does not mock something neutral or something that is wholly improper. It mocks something that arguably reaches firstly into the Christian sphere of love for humanity–whether the Orthodox Church would approach the issue in exactly the same way or not. Suicide is always a greater evil to be combatted than campaigns for immoral liberality in culture, and this fake ad should have been thought-out more thoroughly before being printed up. The point was made, and it is a point that can be delicately created into some sort of “fake ad”, but it was unnecessary to go about it in such a way as this.

    Just an opinion.

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    cynthia curran says:

    Well, the most hate crimes in the us now is hispanic versus black, how do I know well Los Angeles County has more hate crimes than Orange and San Diego, two counties that also have hispancis but low or almost no black populations. LA County has more incidents of Hispanic versus Black, than christians verus Islam and La has more of Islam than normal since it has one of the largest perisans community. Gay kids get beat up a lot less than hispanic or black kids do when they attack each other.

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